The Sunday Tong's Take on Part P - Spot the Mistaks.....

[securespark]

Read this:

Sorry if a few words are difficult to read, it was a quick snap by a digi camera.

 

[planenut]

All readable, even on my system........

Wow! what a revelation. I suppose this will lead to more people just blaming any work on the previous occupant, all depending what it was.

When you buy a T.V. new, the shop is obliged to inform the TV Licensing people, I wonder if it would get like that, if you buy your 13amp socket at the "shed" or whatever, the next thing is you'll get a letter from some jumped up authority demanding proof of who fitted it to what?

(Not knowing the gist of the genuine article I wouldn't know the mistakes.)

 

[pipme]

Better stock up with 'old' cable now .... can fit new accessories, later as mods to an 'existing system'.
Burden of proof on when work was done and by whom ... not easy to prove.
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[kendor]

I spotted the mistake straight away secure,
A two a penny rag purporting to be a newspaper!

 

[AdamW]

Better stock up with 'old' cable now

I have thought about this one, even with new cable they can't PROVE the work was done after 1/1/05... But I suppose if they are forced to tell BC when you buy it.

I hate this, ten people a year die as a direct result of badly installed electrics (not specifically DIY electrics I note!). Ten deaths is a lot, yes, but surely it would be better to introduce a scheme to educated rather than criminalise? And is a certified electrician infallible? There will still be deaths and injuries each year caused by a lapse of concentration when the electrician was installing it, or a lack of familiarity with that particular brand.

How many people each year are killed with a breadknife? I bet more than 10. Howabout a new law, only bakers can use them.

Policeman "Are those sandwiches homemade sunshine?"
Little boy "Yes Officer"
PM "Can I see the certificate to prove that the bread was sliced by a registered baker, and the certificate to prove the sandwich was cut in half by a baker also?"

Isn't there some statistic about the number of people who bleed to death each year after falling out of bed onto a "middle-leg tumescence"? If I recall that is more than 10 too...

 

[kevplumb]

so all of a sudden cos the sparks are getting it in the neck all h*ll breaks loose try installing gas

 

[securespark]

I spotted the mistake straight away secure,
A two a penny rag purporting to be a newspaper!

 

[kendor]

I wonder if they will change the "competent" person in the "Electricity at Work act"(EAW) bit to Skilled or qualified? Can't see it myself but that is one area that definitely wants addressing I've seen appalling work done by so called "competants" and another thing it may also justify and secure the skilled men and women who have trained for so long's jobs.

 

[AdamW]

I have to ask, how much will it cost to have a full rewire inspected by a BCO? I have no problem with a BCO inspecting my work, after all if I am confident it is done right I have nothing to fear. But I suspect it will be of the order of a few hundred pounds. Which is a significant extra cost to add to the materials cost of a rewire. And as has already been said, bodgers and cowboys won't bother. The only people who will bother are those who are proud of their DIY and want to have that official stamp of approval.

Loads of people are killed on the road every year, many of them throught no fault of their own. Yet I can't imagine a law banning all motorists except professional drivers... Far too much revenue at stake.

it may also justify and secure the skilled men and women who have trained for so long's jobs.

Colleagues of mine trained for years and years at university to earn the right to call themselves "engineer", yet everyday I see vans being driven around with the word "engineer" on the signage, related to pretty much any trade. Now I can't say with 100% certainty, but I'm pretty certain that a large number of these people don't have an engineering degree or chartered status with a recognised engineering institute.

Of course I can't imagine a "Grass and landscape engineer" deciding to muscle in on the world of electronic engineers so I suppose their jobs are safe for now

 

[pipme]

I guess one problem unspoken of, thus far, If you have a test carried out on your properties electrics, let us say Insurance requirements, and it fails ... What next ?

Surely cannot be left in a non-compliant situation ?

So is the supply disconnected ? Or just the circuit which failed ?

The spectre of being without electricity for a considerable period raises its hitherto unforseen head ...

BTW Talk of Competent person with regard to working on electrics.
What about a Competent user then ?? Plenty of them around.
I may be old fashioned but .. never run Washing mc, dishwasher and Oven at the same time .. we manage the situation with ease, just never an issue .... competant users .. running well within the limitations of the installation.... !!
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[kendor]

BTW Talk of Competent person with regard to working on electrics.
What about a Competent user then ?? Plenty of them around.
I may be old fashioned but .. never run Washing mc, dishwasher and Oven at the same time .. we manage the situation with ease, just never an issue .... competant users .. running well within the limitations of the installation.... !!
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Competent user is not a problem as long as the competent installer has made the installation safe for aforementioned competent user

 

[david and julie]

Adam has summed it all up really.

I have to ask, how much will it cost to have a full rewire inspected by a BCO? I have no problem with a BCO inspecting my work, after all if I am confident it is done right I have nothing to fear. But I suspect it will be of the order of a few hundred pounds.

I may be a cynic but would assume JP is more concerned about raising revenue and creating work at no cost to Gov. He is also giving the councils another revenue stream, because they are worried about voter dissent due to the massive council tax rises.

It is much better for a politician to quote safety and saving lives, than say he is putting up taxes. Some people will even believe him.

One only as to look at the likes of Iraq, crime rates for murders, MRSA, hypothermia in the old etc , to see how concerned politicians are about lost lives.

 

[pipme]

The problem remains ... Check is done .. something, maybe not measurable with instruments .. is to the Inspector's dislike. He will not wait around but I guess will disconnect .. end of story !!

So the cost escalates .. one calls in a spark willing to test, but not certify ... hopefully he points out shortcomings ..... So you pay twice, to minimise the risk of being cut off !!.
Yea or nay ???
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[AdamW]

I guess one problem unspoken of, thus far, If you have a test carried out on your properties electrics, let us say Insurance requirements, and it fails ... What next ?

Yes, that would be a major problem so far as I can see.

Will our home insurance will cost less when we have these spangly new certificates proving that the electrics are safe?

 

[pipme]

I suppose the reality statistics may start coming out later... It may not be good enough when the brigade blames an electrical fault for fire, in the absence of any other evidence ...
Insurance companies may demand conclusive evidence ... images of pots and manure are floating into view !!
Guess who will pay ?
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