so if the work is going to be checked by mr building inspector, when exactly will he have done all his qualifications in electrical work to qualify him to saythats not right, on top of all the other skills he needs?
The Sunday Tong's Take on Part P - Spot the Mistaks.....
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If this is to be the case, then bombarding him with an overload of technical information may be enough to make the BCO think "Yes, he knows what he is doing" and pass the installation.
Kinda counterproductive for Part P, but is worth remembering if you need to get the suit with a hardhat in your house for a certificate.
I suppose the BCO will have a basic knowledge of electrics... just like many builders are a dab hand with T&E and a few sockets. But without the all-encompassing knowledge that is really required to inspect an electrical installation.
Perhaps some of you sparks should investigate the salary prospects of moving to "The Dark Side", become inspectors.
Kinda counterproductive for Part P, but is worth remembering if you need to get the suit with a hardhat in your house for a certificate.
I suppose the BCO will have a basic knowledge of electrics... just like many builders are a dab hand with T&E and a few sockets. But without the all-encompassing knowledge that is really required to inspect an electrical installation.
Perhaps some of you sparks should investigate the salary prospects of moving to "The Dark Side", become inspectors.
That could be even worse, don't play the 'smart ass' human nature says 'nail this clever barsteward!' ... Your best bet may be a sob story about the bone fide spark installing the electrics having to scoot off to New Zealand due to family bereavment .. then choose the very best part of the install and ask if he would look extra carefully at this part because you finished it yourself ....
Do not let a Spark know you are a diyer - I bet he will find a way of turning the job down ... A sense of protecting his and colleagues' livelihood could overcome the tiniest professional inclination he may or likely may not have.
You will be better off with the 'theoriser' from the council who may regard both diyer and spark as mere labourers anyway... and look purely to the letter of the law.
In seriousness tho' ... If he,from the council, turns job down, he ain't gonna put it right, but surely must disconnect (anyone considered electric being off? not all new build stuff)... you will not be able, lawfully to reconnect -Definition of competent person must include 'trained', with proof of that --- Now you are in the proverbial, and prey to being ripped off - where can you go ? except to a spark ...
Hence I say - do the work - get spark to test without certification this includes his 'take' on the iffy regs (like a pre-mot on car) - put any probs right - then get Building Inspector to test (hopefully rubber stamp) Happens all the time in Industry ... Nice doubling of costs for the poor old customer.
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Do not let a Spark know you are a diyer - I bet he will find a way of turning the job down ... A sense of protecting his and colleagues' livelihood could overcome the tiniest professional inclination he may or likely may not have.
You will be better off with the 'theoriser' from the council who may regard both diyer and spark as mere labourers anyway... and look purely to the letter of the law.
In seriousness tho' ... If he,from the council, turns job down, he ain't gonna put it right, but surely must disconnect (anyone considered electric being off? not all new build stuff)... you will not be able, lawfully to reconnect -Definition of competent person must include 'trained', with proof of that --- Now you are in the proverbial, and prey to being ripped off - where can you go ? except to a spark ...
Hence I say - do the work - get spark to test without certification this includes his 'take' on the iffy regs (like a pre-mot on car) - put any probs right - then get Building Inspector to test (hopefully rubber stamp) Happens all the time in Industry ... Nice doubling of costs for the poor old customer.
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The problem people touched upon remains. There are absolutely no reliable statistics about the causes of accidents attributed to electrics. It is not possible to justify part P from accident statistics as they are frankly too flaky. Even where they can attribute blame to the installation, they still do not distinguish between causes which would be covered by part P and which would not.
Someone posted some statistics from new Zealand and Australia. Australia has the greater number of electrical accidents, and also the most strict electrical regulations. Should we therefore conclude that the stricter the regulations on not tampering with your own electrics, the more likely a fault will remain uncorrected and result in an accident?
Someone posted some statistics from new Zealand and Australia. Australia has the greater number of electrical accidents, and also the most strict electrical regulations. Should we therefore conclude that the stricter the regulations on not tampering with your own electrics, the more likely a fault will remain uncorrected and result in an accident?
So we get the euro cowboys over here then, supplying signed up certificates ... then disappearing into eurovoid !! How will this type of situation be policed ... foreign contractor says he self certifies ... does the job produces certificate and then does the QFO ! How am I to know if he is bone fide or not or actually care if he has just provided the certificate ?
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oooh the sparks are getting it all of a sudden its not right
didnt hear you lot squaling when it was foisted on the gas installers
ex we are trying to do something about it
didnt hear you lot squaling when it was foisted on the gas installers
ex we are trying to do something about it
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The Tongs article said 10 people a year die due to electrocution in the home....is this correct?
i would think more die of fire from faulty installations
ex the general concencus seems to land on the sparks toes on this one
not proven it was electrical
ex the general concencus seems to land on the sparks toes on this one
not proven it was electrical
How will Part P affect a plumber who is installing a boiler or power shower? Will a basic course in electrics suffice to certify their electrical work in installing a boiler?
There are four possibilities as I see it:
1) Plumbers to train as proper electricians
2) Plumber subcontracts work to an electrician
3) Plumber self-certifies half his work, and gets BCO to certify the other half
4) Electricians do the plumbing work because so long as gas isn't involved then they can do so.
There are four possibilities as I see it:
1) Plumbers to train as proper electricians
2) Plumber subcontracts work to an electrician
3) Plumber self-certifies half his work, and gets BCO to certify the other half
4) Electricians do the plumbing work because so long as gas isn't involved then they can do so.
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securespark said:
Dunno, but I bet more than 10 people a year die as a result of being wrapped up in cotton wool.
according to the latest mans instructions i read
the elec has to be "approved" by corgi
whatever that means
the elec has to be "approved" by corgi
whatever that means
Break that down into 4 deaths from screws penetrating correctly installed cables and 5 deaths from severed lawn-mower leads, just leaves 1 death from wiring mistakes. In uk there are a total of 4,000pa deaths in the home from accidents.
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