The 'vaccine' - will you have it? And why/why not?

[Lower]

Do you think a virus takes 9 months pregnancy to give birth to its similar?
Once attached to a host, the process is not slow and to your thinking, vaccinated people can also be hosts of this virus.
Draw your own conclusions.

No, i'm well aware that there will be millions of individual viruses replicating inside a person, and that it happens in a matter of days.

The likelihood of a dangerous mutation occurring in each replication is incredibly small, but when you consider the number of replications in a carrier and the number of carriers, the likelihood of a successful dangerous mutation occurring goes up. The more carriers with a higher viral load, the higher the chance of a viable dangerous mutation occurring and being transmitted.

Vaccinated people's immune systems fight the virus much more quickly and massively reduces the number of replications, which massively reduces the likelihood of a dangerous mutation occurring.

Do you think this isn't a dangerous virus?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Abuse instead of any real argument.

The day that johnny2007 becomes capable of real argument instead of abuse of reality, he is welcome to let us all know.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

The day that johnny2007 becomes capable of real argument instead of abuse of reality, he is welcome to let us all know.

If you simply click 'ignore' he is gone, you will not see his irrational rants any more. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt for a few posts first, before blocking them.

 

[johnny2007]

Do you think this isn't a dangerous virus?

It's dangerous for older people and people with pre existing conditions, same as pneumonia, common flu and many other illnesses.
Of course with few exceptions.
Look at the stats as you don't believe anything unless it comes from the same government that you so vehemently were criticising and going against everything they said.
Isn't that weird?
One day I'm kicking boris & co's b@llox because they're looking after their own and letting the masses die, next day I'm doing everything they say because they radically changed their ways and now look at the common good.
Yes, the common good.
Can you define "common good"?
People from communist countries will be able to tell you what "common good" means...

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I'm starting to believe the surpressed experts opinions that the public are being brainwashed into how they stand on for/against the vaccine.

Like with many things, I don't mind that you have had the vaccine, why do you mind that I haven't?

Your claims that non vaccinated people pose any threat to you is utter nonsense & won't stand up to even a basic fact check.

That's the trouble with this whole caper. People sit there in front of the box soaking up all the mass hysteria that the media sells them. Then they allow themselves get wound up into a state of holier than thou righteous indignation and try to project this onto others (see it on here - I'm sure the guilty recognise themselves from the description). It will end up with enraged idiots seeking out anyone who's unvaxed and running them out of town. Or following them around but shouting "UNVAXED, UNVAXED" at them instead of "UNCLEAN".

If you're vaccinated: great. Good for you. If what you're told is true, then you're protected - what's the problem if your neighbour isn't? Making up or believing rubbish like the unvaxed will somehow propagate new, deadlier flavours of Corona is paranoia. You're allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the media and government.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Making up or believing rubbish like the unvaxed will somehow propagate new, deadlier flavours of Corona is paranoia.

Would you like to offer the forum your theory of how new variants come into existence?

 

[Lower]

It's dangerous for older people and people with pre existing conditions, same as pneumonia, common flu and many other illnesses.
Of course with few exceptions.
Look at the stats as you don't believe anything unless it comes from the same government that you so vehemently were criticising and going against everything they said.
Isn't that weird?
One day I'm kicking boris & co's b@llox because they're looking after their own and letting the masses die, next day I'm doing everything they say because they radically changed their ways and now look at the common good.
Yes, the common good.
Can you define "common good"?
People from communist countries will be able to tell you what "common good" means...

I think you're confusing me with someone else as its fairly rare that i criticise the government.

In my opinion, this virus is dangerous for everyone in this country, whether they catch it or not.

The country cannot afford to continue with the furlough scheme and lock down in general for much longer.
Even those that don't get seriously ill with coronavirus will suffer and die as a result of other illnesses and health conditions if the NHS is allowed to become overloaded, as it would if we don't get as many people vaccinated as possible or stay in lock down indefinitely.

If you don't believe in vaccination, what's your solution?

 

[denso13]

You're allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the media and government.

Bingo, I won again!

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

That's the trouble with this whole caper. People sit there in front of the box soaking up all the mass hysteria that the media sells them. Then they allow themselves get wound up into a state of holier than thou righteous indignation and try to project this onto others (see it on here - I'm sure the guilty recognise themselves from the description). It will end up with enraged idiots seeking out anyone who's unvaxed and running them out of town. Or following them around but shouting "UNVAXED, UNVAXED" at them instead of "UNCLEAN".

I'm just watching BBCi, BEEB4, a program about the progress of vaccination generally, since 1800. Average age of death in 1800 - 32, compared to modern times of 73. I'm guessing the above poster has made it some way past 32, but I wonder if he might like to go back to the pre-vaccination days of 1800 and a very limited life span?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

It will end up with enraged idiots seeking out anyone who's unvaxed and running them out of town. Or following them around but shouting "UNVAXED, UNVAXED" at them instead of "UNCLEAN".

Enraged perhaps, but idiots - not at all. The idiots are the ones refusing the jab, based on entirely groundless fears and superstition.

 

[JP_]

based on entirely groundless fears and superstition

And what is really funny, is that they call the rest of us sheep. They're the ones believing in everything they read on the internet and just following the advice of some deranged cult leader.

 

[Brigade77]

I'm just watching BBCi, BEEB4, a program about the progress of vaccination generally, since 1800. Average age of death in 1800 - 32, compared to modern times of 73. I'm guessing the above poster has made it some way past 32, but I wonder if he might like to go back to the pre-vaccination days of 1800 and a very limited life span?

You make it sound like vaccination is responsible for the increase in lifespan.

It isn't, & I doubt the program made any such claim.

Can you name any vaccines that have been succesful? Although how you quantify succesful is subjective / objective.

Can you, can you ????

 

[Brigade77]

Enraged perhaps, but idiots - not at all. The idiots are the ones refusing the jab, based on entirely groundless fears and superstition.

Take part in many pharmaceutical trials & experiments do you?

 

[JP_]

Can you name any vaccines that have been succesful? Although how you quantify succesful is subjective / objective.

You can't be serious?

Smallpox - used to kill millions of people, it killed around 300 million people since 1900 alone.
We have eradicated it with global vaccinations

Measles - In 2019 there were 869 770 cases of measles, the highest number since 1996, and an estimated 207,500 deaths - all preventable

• Whooping Cough (Pertussis) - Worldwide, there are an estimated 24.1 million cases of pertussis and about 160,700 deaths per year - all preventable
• Tetanus. - tetanus causes 213 000 – 293 000 deaths worldwide each year and that it is responsible for 5–7% of all neonatal deaths and 5% of maternal deaths - all preventable

More Vaccine-Preventable Diseases

• Meningococcal Disease.
• Hepatitis B.
• Flu.
• Polio.
• Pneumococcal Disease.

Before we had vaccines, infant mortality was huge - the child mortality rate in the United Kingdom, for children under the age of five, was 329 deaths per thousand births in 1800. That's just over 3 in every 10 children died before they were 5. Today, it is around 3.678 deaths per 1000 live births - 100 times less.

Can you imagine living in a world now where 3 in 10 kids died before their 5th birthday? This is what anti-vaxxers want to go back to.

 

[Trazor]

Can you name any vaccines that have been succesful? Although how you quantify succesful is subjective / objective.

Can you, can you ????

Well how about these 14 vaccines....https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html