The 'vaccine' - will you have it? And why/why not?

What will you do?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 74.0%
  • No

    Votes: 6 12.0%
  • Not Sure Yet

    Votes: 7 14.0%

  • Total voters
    50
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You can't be serious?

Smallpox - used to kill millions of people, it killed around 300 million people since 1900 alone.
We have eradicated it with global vaccinations

Measles
- In 2019 there were 869 770 cases of measles, the highest number since 1996, and an estimated 207,500 deaths - all preventable
  • Whooping Cough (Pertussis) - Worldwide, there are an estimated 24.1 million cases of pertussis and about 160,700 deaths per year - all preventable
  • Tetanus. - tetanus causes 213 000 – 293 000 deaths worldwide each year and that it is responsible for 5–7% of all neonatal deaths and 5% of maternal deaths - all preventable
More Vaccine-Preventable Diseases
  • Meningococcal Disease.
  • Hepatitis B.
  • Flu.
  • Polio.
  • Pneumococcal Disease.
Before we had vaccines, infant mortality was huge - the child mortality rate in the United Kingdom, for children under the age of five, was 329 deaths per thousand births in 1800. That's just over 3 in every 10 children died before they were 5. Today, it is around 3.678 deaths per 1000 live births - 100 times less.

Can you imagine living in a world now where 3 in 10 kids died before their 5th birthday? This is what anti-vaxxers want to go back to.

This is correct.
However, is the covid vaccine tried and tested as the above ones?
 
This is correct.
However, is the covid vaccine tried and tested as the above ones?
Would you like this country to be facing the Indian variant if nobody had been vaccinated?

Tried and tested...well 700 million jabs so far, I'd say yes.
 
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Incidentally, & slightly off to one side. Tubercolosis & Malaria are this worlds biggest killers by a massive margin, yet if you 'Google' "biggest killer" your results will reflect opinions that are entirely different.

Do you know why that is?


P.S. Let's spend $billions eradicating TB & Malaria. Let's set an urgent timeframe to do this & let's put the worlds best scientists on the job.
 
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Whatever view you hold regarding everything to do with covid, here is more advice from what might be described as "the who do we believe department?":

The CDC in the US - Fauci's organisation - has said that those who are fully vaccinated no longer need to follow any of the precautions.

"Fully vaccinated people can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

Can you spot the flaw?


Also the Governor of Texas lifted all restrictions on March 3; they have not had an increase in cases and deaths have fallen since that date.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/
 
I'm just watching BBCi, BEEB4, a program about the progress of vaccination generally, since 1800. Average age of death in 1800 - 32, compared to modern times of 73. I'm guessing the above poster has made it some way past 32, but I wonder if he might like to go back to the pre-vaccination days of 1800 and a very limited life span?

You've missed the point of my rant. It wasn't anti-vax. It was about the idiotic, uninformed attitude towards those who are cautious about vaccines, especially new vaccines, and believe they should be shamed into having the jab. Being vaccinated means that the vaccinated are less likely to suffer serious Covid symptoms. So they're protected - unless they don't believe the vaccine works. However, they can still catch Covid and have mild symptoms or be asymptomatic. Importantly, they can still transmit the virus, just an unvaccinated person can.

Cases dipped to a very low level last summer, just as they are doing now. However there was no vaccine last summer - so it appears that the virus is seasonal and case numbers may not be too influenced by vaccination programmes. So the belief that the unvaccinated are somehow prolonging the epidemic is idiotic.

Any anger should be directed at the government for allowing 20,000 people into the country each day - 8,000 of them tourists. If the so called Indian variant is actually a problem, then the government has allowed it to enter the country. It is this that will be used to prolong lockdown, it won't be the fault of the unvaccinated. Though I do understand why some may feel aggrieved, as they fell for a Tory government who told them they may be able to regain their freedoms if they rushed to have a couple of jabs.
 
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Would you like this country to be facing the Indian variant if nobody had been vaccinated?

Tried and tested...well 700 million jabs so far, I'd say yes.

So why are they talking about delaying the end of lockdown and Scotland putting more areas into higher tiers if most of the vulnerable have been vaccinated? Doesn't sound like the authorities have any faith in the vaccine coping with the Indian variant.
 
You've missed the point of my rant. It wasn't anti-vax. It was about the idiotic, uninformed attitude towards those who are cautious about vaccines, especially new vaccines, and believe they should be shamed into having the jab. Being vaccinated means that the vaccinated are less likely to suffer serious Covid symptoms. So they're protected - unless they don't believe the vaccine works. However, they can still catch Covid and have mild symptoms or be asymptomatic. Importantly, they can still transmit the virus, just an unvaccinated person can.

Last I heard and I am not following it that closely, was that the jab does drastically reduce the chances of it being spread too.

Cases dipped to a very low level last summer, just as they are doing now. However there was no vaccine last summer - so it appears that the virus is seasonal and case numbers may not be too influenced by vaccination programmes. So the belief that the unvaccinated are somehow prolonging the epidemic is idiotic.

People were still catching it, still becoming very ill as a result and still dying. Now, ignoring certain areas of the UK, we do do have really low numbers.

Any anger should be directed at the government for allowing 20,000 people into the country each day - 8,000 of them tourists. If the so called Indian variant is actually a problem, then the government has allowed it to enter the country. It is this that will be used to prolong lockdown, it won't be the fault of the unvaccinated. Though I do understand why some may feel aggrieved, as they fell for a Tory government who told them they may be able to regain their freedoms if they rushed to have a couple of jabs.

I didn't fall for government spin to have the jabs, I made a common sense decision based upon risk. I fully agree with your point about the continuing influx of people - it was/is rediculous.
 
So why are they talking about delaying the end of lockdown and Scotland putting more areas into higher tiers if most of the vulnerable have been vaccinated? Doesn't sound like the authorities have any faith in the vaccine coping with the Indian variant.
If you cast back to when the roadmap was announced it was made clear it was dependent on the data...indeed that was why it was spaced weeks apart.

So they aren't delaying end of lockdown, but doing what they said.

Vaccinations haven't reached critical mass so it's possible hospitalisations could go up. A variant with higher transmissibility combined with no interventions could see that happen.
 
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