The 'vaccine' - will you have it? And why/why not?

[denso13]

I watch the news and it's all a pile of lies.

What is the reason for lying? Why make it all up?

 

[JohnD]

No, I haven't noticed.
In fact despite living in a densely populated area in London, I haven't seen piles of corpses

You may not have noticed, but if you look in the right places, and ask the right people, you might find out things you don't know.

In the first wave, I lost someone, and it was very difficult to find an undertaker as they were all snowed under. The local crematoria were all running multiple shifts as they could not cope with demand and we had to use one in a different town when a gap in the schedule appeared at short notice.

I'm sure you are aware that demand for coffins exceeded supply, because it has been mentioned so many times.

I haven't noticed.

Perhaps you are unobservant. Perhaps you are blinkered.

 

[EFLImpudence]

What is the reason for lying? Why make it all up?

Do you think they are not?

If you think they are not, where have you been?

 

[JP_]

Didn't the number of deaths dropped last year in the same period?
Sorry, I'm making you think.

No, you are not taxing my brain at all. Deaths did drop around this time last year, if you recall, the country went into something close to a lockdown.
Daily deaths were still in the region of 200 in May 2020, compared to 20 now. That's ten times fewer, after 2 some more virulent strains have arrived.

 

[JP_]

So out of all viruses, Lord Covid is the intelligent one.
And we found a cure for it in a few months.
Although, this cure doesn't really cure the disease as the vaccinated can get it again.
And you believe that.

I am guessing that you have not bothered watching the documentary I shared (which you have already denied exists), which answers all these questions.

If you cannot be bothered to educate yourself, there really little I can do to help you.

But ... "few months" - it took over a year, with around 200 groups of scientists working around the clock. That has never happened before.
Many of those groups did not find a suitable vaccine. This was not a case of a couple of virologists working part-time for a "few months".

What is really sad is that developing the coronavirus vaccine is possibly the most important breakthrough we've seen in medicine in the last 100 years. But, rather than celebrate this, people like you just want to pretend that it has not even happened.

 

[denso13]

Do you think they are not?

No.

If you think they are not, where have you been?

Working from home, what's that got to do with it?

Any answers to my questions?

 

[JP_]

Perhaps you are unobservant.

I don't think unobservant is correct. He observes everything. The problem is, even with a mind capable of understanding nuclear physics, he cannot seem to grasp basic biology.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

a lot of shyte.

 

[EFLImpudence]

No.

You do not think they are not lying. Is that what you meant?

I shall assume it was not (what you meant):

Working from home, what's that got to do with it?

Well, you have obviously not been looking at the news.

Any answers to my questions?

Try the WEF Great Reset - hiding in plain sight.

If you don't believe that then why do government leaders and billionaires attend its meetings?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

In fact despite living in a densely populated area in London, I haven't seen piles of corpses

In my entire life Ive never seen piles of corpses in London. We have infrastructure to prevent that happening.

So your point is?

and haven't heard anyone I know dying from Lord Covid.

I havent heard of anyone I know dying from AIDS. So your point is?

I havent heard of anyone I know dying from measles. So your point is?

I havent heard of anyone I know dying from TB. So your point is?

I havent heard of anyone I know dying from Ebola. So your point is?

I havent heard of anyone I know dying from polio. So your point is?

I havent heard of anyone I know dying from malaria. So your point is?

I watch the news and it's all a pile of lies.
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Then they give you the total number of "infected" which includes papayas, goats, sterile swabs, etc.

I suspect that the answer to the question "So your point is?" is that you have no point.

You are pointless.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

If you don't believe that then why do government leaders and billionaires attend its meetings?

Ooh - I know - its to worship Satan and drink the blood of children!

And to be able to remove the masks that hide the fact that they are lizards, of course, lets not forget that.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I watch the news and it's all a pile of lies.
The fact that they fiddle with numbers to confuse people tells it all.
In 16 months of this rubbish the bbc and other mainstream NEVER mentioned that in England 1600 people die every day in normal times.
So the gullible, when they hear that 1567 people died in one day, believe that it's a gigantic number.
Then they give you the total number of "infected" which includes papayas, goats, sterile swabs, etc.
What a lot of shyte.

Yes but surely that's deaths caused by multiple different incidents, conditions and illnesses? Covid is a single virus, with mitigation measures to reduce transmission such as distancing, vaccines etc. So, if your numbers are accurate, 1567 people dying from a single illness compared to 1600 dying from (dozens?) of different things does make the former a significant number, no?

 

[denso13]

Try the WEF Great Reset - hiding in plain sight.

Can't come quick enough. Which particular bits don't you agree with?

"The Great Reset agenda would have three main components.

The first would steer the market toward fairer outcomes. To this end, governments should improve coordination (for example, in tax, regulatory, and fiscal policy), upgrade trade arrangements, and create the conditions for a “stakeholder economy.” At a time of diminishing tax bases and soaring public debt, governments have a powerful incentive to pursue such action.

Moreover, governments should implement long-overdue reforms that promote more equitable outcomes. Depending on the country, these may include changes to wealth taxes, the withdrawal of fossil-fuel subsidies, and new rules governing intellectual property, trade, and competition.

The second component of a Great Reset agenda would ensure that investments advance shared goals, such as equality and sustainability. Here, the large-scale spending programs that many governments are implementing represent a major opportunity for progress. The European Commission, for one, has unveiled plans for a €750 billion ($826 billion) recovery fund. The US, China, and Japan also have ambitious economic-stimulus plans.

Rather than using these funds, as well as investments from private entities and pension funds, to fill cracks in the old system, we should use them to create a new one that is more resilient, equitable, and sustainable in the long run. This means, for example, building “green” urban infrastructure and creating incentives for industries to improve their track record on environmental, social, and governance (ESG) metrics.

The third and final priority of a Great Reset agenda is to harness the innovations of the Fourth Industrial Revolution to support the public good, especially by addressing health and social challenges."

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ooh - I know - its to worship Satan and drink the blood of children!
And to be able to remove the masks that hide the fact that they are lizards, of course, lets not forget that.

Ah, that's settled it satisfactorily.

 

[ajohn]

The thing about knowing some one who had caught it, caught it and suffered to varying degrees, caught it an died is pretty simple really. Not all that many people have had the experience of catching it compared with the population as a whole. It's just a small %.

The reason of being vaccinated is also pretty simple. It gives a measure of protection against the worst aspects of catching it. How much is still somewhat TBD but confidence levels are high that it will achieve something. There is just a bit of doubt about total effects in terms of hospitalisation and death numbers. Why bother. Covid is unlikely to just go away. Degrees of lockdown will be relaxed. It's the final vaccine test. As it's relaxed more and more people will catch it at increasing rates. The last change may well be no more masks indoors or on transport etc. Under those conditions it spreads very very quickly,. Against that generally when people are vaccinated it reduces the time period when they can infect others. It wont reduce it to zero though as out immune systems don't do anything that quickly.

Looking at recent figures if some one collect together 5 people in their 50's it's likely that one of them wont have been vaccinated. There are ~9million of that age group in the UK so getting on for 2m people some of who will need hospitalisation. There is ~17m between 30 and 50. Less likely to need hospitalisation but more of them.

At some point they are aiming to end all precautions. Some people will suffer, some will die. Some wont notice anything at all, maybe just mild covid. It does look like the numbers that need hospitalisation will be drastically reduced. We will get some idea over the next month.