Theresa's mercenaries getting itchy feet

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

There could be some merit in your assumption - A lets see who blinks first.
But interestingly It works ok with Turkey /Greece and Cyprus.

Having sailed greece to turkey and back again it is funny how Turkey imposes different tariffs on EU citizens. French nationals can enter turkey and pay nothing, Canadians must pay 45 euro.. brits a £10.
There are very limited checks. Its more about the fees.

But it is not about movement of people! There are controls already in place at the RoI borders. Non EU citizens cannot simply enter RoI.
Sure, EU citizens will have freedom of movement into UK if UK government does not implement a hard border, or some sort of border controls.
It is also about movement of goods.

Suppose UK lower VAT for essential supplies, e.g fuel (not that it is ever likely ). Imagine the amount of smuggling that would ensue. EU would implement controls of fuel entering EU by the imposition of a hard border.
Chaos (political as well as actual) would ensue.

What I am amazed at, is that everyone else realised what the 'backstop' position entailed, but TM acts as though she has only just realised!

 

[motorbiking]

The situation you describe is exactly what happens in Belgium, though they have suspended checks recently. You don't need EU harmony to have local taxation chaos
http://www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-advice/boating-abroad/Pages/red-diesel-abroad.aspx

I do not have any empathy with the EU's position that we are leaving, so we must suffer the impact and solve all the problems. There is no recognition that a better deal for Cameron might have saved the day or that the EU has somehow got it wrong in the last 10 years or so. Would Corbyn accept a boarder in the Irish sea - I haven't seen his position on the subject other than stay in the union and kiss good bye to forming our own trade deals. Though he doesn't mention the last bit.

Personally - I'm OK with the idea of staying in the customs union.

 

[SirGalahad]

Let's say tom

How does that have any effect on the free movement of people.

Do you think the concern for overcrowding in this country is due to:

the deal allows host countries to keep out or deport people whose behaviour is “likely (as opposed to “does”) to represent a genuine and serious threat to public policy or security”.

Or do you think its due to the large number law abiding people coming to the UK to work legitimately? Or are you saying the EU rules allow the UK to prevent these people coming but the UK ignore it?

Again you seem to miss the points and making a confused argument.

Freedom of movement came with restrictions - if we did not want to implement these restriction - that was our choice - as I have pointed out above.

Your link is dead.

The economic policy of the current Government and the last chancellor as written in his Budget Policy was predicated on net EU migration of 150k. We in part grew the economy by increasing the populace. Tax receipts increased as did GDP but instead of spending that money on public services they made cuts. As to the issue of housebuilding well again that was something under the influence of the Government or as house building is a private matter than does the problem lie with the private sector?

The EU directive is clear - its been posted above and an analysis of it.

The errors lie with our Governments not the directives.

 

[vinty]

Her promise of a billion to buy their votes may not be enough to stop them jumping ship

Her hard line on rejecting the available options on offer led her down this damaging path. Where will the NI border controls be? No-one knows.

"The prime minister's coalition ally in Northern Ireland has threatened to withdraw support over the issue.

The Democratic Unionist Party said details of the draft treaty "fundamentally breached" an agreement reached in Brussels late last year.


"If the EU or Dublin believes the UK government will be signing up to a border in the Irish Sea, they are deluded," said senior DUP member Sir Jeffrey Donaldson."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43221934

Buffoon Boris' silly notion that national border controls can be managed like a road toll do nothing to help.

As the UK government can't make up its mind what it wants to do, and has no plan, the EU will publish a draft today.

It is only a draft paper mate,an opening gambit if you like.
There will only be a hard border if the Republic wants one.
There already is a border between N.I. and the ROI or haven't you noticed, in some towns the border runs up the middle of the main street and this has been the case for almost 100 years ,long before the EU came into existence.
If the border was moved to the Irish sea while N.I. is still constitutionally part of the UK what is to stop Nicola Sturgeon wanting that border extended to the English border, if one part of the UK can stay in the EU and still be constitutionally British what is to stop other parts having the same treatment.

 

[JohnD]

Do you want free movement?

Or do you want control?

Pick one.

(only one).

And tell us where you want the post-Brexit border controls to be.

 

[Notch7]

Pick one.

Yes, why not answer your own question:

Do you want free movement?

yes or no

 

[noseall]

Do you want free movement?

Does that come with staying in the EU?

 

[vinty]

Do you want free movement?

Or do you want control?

Pick one.

(only one).

And tell us where you want the post-Brexit border controls to be.

Depends on your definition of free movement, just saying free movement is bit vague, can you be a bit more specific.
Hopefully post Brexit border controls if any are required will be on the UK border.
These problems with borders are man-made and can be sorted if goodwill and common sense preveils.

 

[JohnD]

Free movement means free movement and open borders. Like there is now.

Controlled borders means you check passports and imported goods.

Can't be simpler and less vague than that.

Theresa has said she doesn't want foreigners being able to freely enter the UK. So she wants passport and immigration controls. So she doesn't want open borders.

When you say "on the UK border" you mean on the NI border with IE, obviously, since NI is part of the UK. You say "hopefully" so you want a controlled NI:IE border, and a controlled GB:IE border, with passport control and customs checks. Simple enough.

 

[Notch7]

Free movement means free movement and open borders. Like there is now.

Controlled borders means you check passports and imported goods.

Can't be simpler and less vague than that.

Theresa has said she doesn't want foreigners being able to freely enter the UK. So she wants passport and immigration controls. So she doesn't want open borders.

When you say "on the UK border" you mean on the NI border with IE, obviously, since NI is part of the UK. You say "hopefully" so you want a controlled NI:IE border, and a controlled GB:IE border, with passport control and customs checks. Simple enough.

So: do you want free movement?

Or do you want control?

Pick one.

(only one).

 

[transam]

Either learn a bit more about the trade negotiations before you post. TTIP was a charter for corporate rights. You should be glad it wasn't agreed. Here is a simple explanation by a Nobel Laureate.

aha *ankerlot the forum intellectual and economic expert returns to the fray

would suggest you learn a bit more about the negotiations before u post & I have zero interest in your link

nobel Laureate u say . Blimey should we all be impressed ?? (not)

 

[noseall]

So: do you want free movement?

Or do you want control?

Pick one.

I think JohnD is a remoaner so you already know what his outlook is. Its the quitters who want change not remoaners. 'Tis those that chose the "lets take back control" route who need to make a decision, i.e. the brexit bunch.

Wonder when they will start making decisions. Time and EU patience is running out.

 

[motorbiking]

Hands up who wants to stay in the customs union at the expense of independent trade deals?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Further falls for the pound due to Brexit:

Halfway to Brexit
Brexit talks are still the biggest source of uncertainty for sterling.

March is the halfway point in the two-year process of leaving the EU. But progress on negotiations has been painfully slow.
In the last year, Brexit talks caused swings in the currency markets. And we expect more of the same.

http://www.hl.co.uk/news/articles/currency-markets-whats-next

 

[noseall]

Hands up who wants to stay in the customs union at the expense of independent trade deals?

Hands up who thinks the whole brexit malarkey (so far) is a shambles.