They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[motorbiking]

As usual you struggle to get your head around the detail.

From your point of view what does the bill provide ? And how is that different to what you can already do?

As far as I can see it’s simple a right to get a lethal prescription with 6 months left to live. By the time you get through the process you’ll probably have 2 months left. And given it’s not an exact science you might have gone already.

 

[denso13]

You already have a choice.

Does that mean you don't think an assisted dying bill is required because, for one thing, people can commit suicide if they wish?

 

[motorbiking]

No. I don’t want judicial oversight as a routine and I prefer a broader definition of terminal illness.

Give people with illnesses that will slowly destroy who they are the right to go when they are still them.

And it should be nothing to do with the NHS.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

As usual you struggle to get your head around the detail.

No, that's you, swerving

From your point of view what does the bill provide ? And how is that different to what you can already do?

The right to choose

As far as I can see it’s simple a right to get a lethal prescription with 6 months left to live. By the time you get through the process you’ll probably have 2 months left. And given it’s not an exact science you might have gone already.

I've never said it's a perfect choice. But it's better than having to consider going abroad to do it whilst still able to, rather than making the choice when mentally capable but not necessarily physically capable.

Could it be improved from its current outlined form? Of course it could.

But again, what is wrong with having the choice

 

[ellal]

If you are determined to go you will go, its not a holiday destination

You truly have lost the plot!

But talking of plots, do you have yours picked out yet?

And amongst your last moment plans, have you guaranteed yourself a pain free end surrounded by your loved ones as you slip away peacefully smiling?

 

[ellal]

And it should be nothing to do with the NHS.

So a private assisted death arrangement?

Smacks of back street abortions!

 

[Notch7]

By the time you get through the process you’ll probably have 2 months left. And given it’s not an exact science you might have gone already.

I agree that this is a legitimate concern, but in my opinion the bill being passed is a positive first step towards ending the awful pain and suffering people endure

There will be a lot of debate and no the point about the time taken up in getting approval will be considered

 

[Notch7]

There may be a way forward but this bill doesn't provide it

yes it does

You are just against the bill because you hate Starmer, nothing more nothing less.

state managed death.

false emotive language

it is nothing of the kind..........there is nothing state sponsored if the person is the one making the choice

 

[blup]

yes it does

You are just against the bill because you hate Starmer, nothing more nothing less.

He's doing a better job than expected, but he and Rachel from accounts should be smashing down the doors of the EU to get a tariff free trading agreement. That would hugely bolster the economy in one fell swoop. All for signing up to the human rights act which we is already in place.

false emotive language

it is nothing of the kind..........there is nothing state sponsored if the person is the one making the choice

The state is enabling it and regulating it, the state is saying to people including young people that (state assisted) suicide is ok if you're struggling with life. Any changes should be medically driven.

 

[denso13]

the state is saying to people including young people that (state assisted) suicide is ok if you're struggling with life.

You really are twisting things. That is a gross exaggeration.

 

[Notch7]

but he and Rachel from accounts should be smashing down the doors of the EU to get a tariff free trading agreement.

We have a tariff free trading agreement for products made in this country

do you mean an agreement removing non tariff barriers..........that can only be achieved by rejoining the SM

The state is enabling it and regulating it

no it isnt

the state is saying to people including young people that (state assisted) suicide is ok if you're struggling with life.

no, the state is saying people with a terminal illness an ddeemed to have less than 6 months

I dont see how people who are suicidal with have any connection with that

do you have any evidence to support your argument that legalising assisted dying increases suicide rates

 

[motorbiking]

So a private assisted death arrangement?

Smacks of back street abortions!

NHS is busy trying to cure people. Doctors are busy trying to cure people. it’s £15k to do a trip to Switzerland.

The bill gives people the limited ability to legally procure a fatal dose of drugs.

This is not a treatment for an illness that the NHS should cover, is my opinion.

It’s about priorities

 

[motorbiking]

He's doing a better job than expected, but he and Rachel from accounts should be smashing down the doors of the EU to get a tariff free trading agreement. That would hugely bolster the economy in one fell swoop. All for signing up to the human rights act which we is already in place.

The state is enabling it and regulating it, the state is saying to people including young people that (state assisted) suicide is ok if you're struggling with life. Any changes should be medically driven.

How does struggling with life meet the definition of terminally ill as defined in the bill?

 

[motorbiking]

I agree that this is a legitimate concern, but in my opinion the bill being passed is a positive first step towards ending the awful pain and suffering people endure

There will be a lot of debate and no the point about the time taken up in getting approval will be considered

I actually don’t think it does.

The pain of death is fairly routinely managed. The pain of terminal illness can be treated.

The bit that is missing is the right for me to procure a lethal dose of drugs to end my life at a time of my choosing upon being diagnosed with a terminal illness.

Let’s say I have a MND and I want to go before I am bed ridden, unable to talk, unable to feed myself etc. MND gets you at various speeds, but for many they will have 3-4 years or even decades living the Stephen Hawkins experience.

The bill does nothing for me.

So I’m left with [insert various pain free suicide methods].

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The state is enabling it and regulating it, the state is saying to people including young people that (state assisted) suicide is ok if you're struggling with life. Any changes should be medically driven.

You need to demonstrate that, or else its just a twisting of the actual facts.

Why won't you answer what is wrong with people having a choice?