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Blup hasn’t suggested otherwise.
He clearly has, and now you're starting a hokey-cokey to help him weasel out of it.Blup hasn’t suggested otherwise.
Nope. You are both confusing stating that the government is dictating when you can apply to die with an assistance (which they are) and mandatory dying which is nonsense.He clearly has, and now you're starting a hokey-cokey to help him weasel out of it.
There are weasels at work here, but in Westminster.He clearly has, and now you're starting a hokey-cokey to help him weasel out of it.
how is it preposterous?Everything is political, but to suggest state control of death is not political, is preposterous
not trueLyndsay was leaned on and didn't have the courage to stand up to the implied threats from his political colleagues
WRONGIts an inherently emotive issue which has been slipped through by an opportunist in the Lords playing on peoples fears by offering a state solution.
it is designed to only allow people with a notified terminal illness to be allowed the right to chooseThat is exactly the legislation - the person applies for the right to assisted dying - the government tell you when you can die (with assistance).
sec 2b defines terminal illness as expected to die within 6 months.
Like brexhit there are unthought through consequences of this bill. Does it create a new “human right”? How does it affect insurance, or IHT planning? Should someone exercising the right, be discriminated against because of it, for example non payout of an otherwise valid life policy that will pay off the mortgage? If only on practical grounds, MP’s should give this one an early bath.I fear MP's at the last moment will chicken out...
So here's an idea...
If we can have a referendum that some people claim was about 'taking back control', then why not have a referendum about taking back control of how you wish to end your life?
It is an individual's life we are talking about here.
Only unlike last time, all the details and safeguards would have to be set down beforehand and the electorate given every opportunity to study the options before voting not after.
Because otherwise you often don't get what you vote for when you don't have the facts laid out concisely and in full, rather than relying on words based on political advantages/lies.
650 MP's voting on their 'beliefs' about controlling whether the prospect of any number of 65 million people could die in pain and despair is wrong. People being able/not being able to get their last wish should be the ones having the say.
Proper palliative care offers dignity, not a text from nhs england at 6 monthshow is it preposterous?
you have made the basic error of saying I am wrong without explaining how or why?
not true
WRONG
it is not a "state solution"
it is a law designed to give people a choice to have a dignified death
I dont hate Starmy but he is a check list politician who got very lucky. He seems good at detail and admin which is a plus after Borris etc. Being neutral on a moral issue is a back covering exercise.I suggest you try to stop seeing the world through your "I hate Starmer" bias -its clouding your ability to think
I disagree on that as well, it is about not influencing others.Being neutral on a moral issue is a back covering exercise.
I'm not confusing anything, just commenting on bulp's statement and your lack of comprehension.Nope. You are both confusing stating that the government is dictating when you can apply to die with an assistance (which they are) and mandatory dying which is nonsense.
The draft bill does dictate when a person is classified as terminally ill and it’s someone with 6 months to live.
SameI'm not confusing anything, just commenting on bulp's statement and your lack of comprehension.
The law criminalises attempted and assisted suicide, you will get life imprisonment under the bill for what is potentially an admin error. That all suggests morality is central to the change in lawI disagree on that as well, it is about not influencing others.
Irrelevant to whether the PM speaks out or not. I'm undecided on the proposals by the way.That all suggests morality is central to the change in law