time to renounce religion..

There is no proof that the toothfairy doesn't live in never never land in the andromeda galaxy. I don't believe she does, do you? Is not believing that a belief system.
 
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I do live my life according to my non-belief in cheese goblins. If I did believe in them it would probably affect my attitude towards cheese, or whatever else these mythical cheese goblins correspond to. But because I don't believe in cheese goblins it still affects my attitude towards those things, but probably in an opposite manner.

Whatever we do or do not believe affects the way we interact with the world around us. What we don't believe is just as powerful in that context as what we do believe.

Ha ha. You're really searching now. You have never up until this time even considered cheese goblins.

Anyway, this is getting too silly.
 
Atheists believe that there is no God, and base their approach to life around that belief. Therefore, since a religion is simply a belief system, Atheism can be said to be a religion.

You are confusing LACK of belief with belief.

In other words, it's a belief that there's nothing to believe in...
 
If I have 1 regret in life so far, it's that I didn't take a philosophy degree... Maybe one day.... :LOL:
 
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In other words, it's a belief that there's nothing to believe in...

Like I said, it's a LACK of belief, in one possible ridiculous scenario in particular. There are an infinite number of possible ridiculous scenarios that none of us would believe in, Why do you think the religion one is any different to all the others?
 
I don't see it that way. I choose to believe something, and I choose not to believe something. If I don't have any concept of that something, I can't have a default position of non-belief in it - surely I can't have any position.

It's probably semantics tho'.
 
I don't see it that way. I choose to believe something, and I choose not to believe something. If I don't have any concept of that something, I can't have a default position of non-belief in it - surely I can't have any position.

It's probably semantics tho'.
This is just it. You can have positive belief or negative belief... or you have no belief. I.e. I believe in magic. I believe magic is fake.. and I don't believe in magic. Only a slight difference but an important one
 
In other words, it's a belief that there's nothing to believe in...

Like I said, it's a LACK of belief, in one possible ridiculous scenario in particular. There are an infinite number of possible ridiculous scenarios that none of us would believe in, Why do you think the religion one is any different to all the others?

I don't think that at all. I don' think religion is ridiculous, if that's what you're saying. Each to their own. Belief and religion are 2 totally different things. You can believe or not believe in things far removed from religion, it still requires a decision to believe. I believe that you'll reply to this post. That's a belief. Maybe not something I'm going to build a life around, but fundamentally a belief just the same. It's what I choose to do with that belief that's important.

Lack of belief in something is a belief against something, isn't it? And therefore conceptually in favour of some other stance....? If an atheist chooses to have a lack of belief in God, then he chooses to have a belief in a creation that doesn't need a God - but it's still a creation. So to my mind an Atheist doesn't have a lack of belief. Again, it's probably semantics.
 
I don't see it that way. I choose to believe something, and I choose not to believe something. If I don't have any concept of that something, I can't have a default position of non-belief in it - surely I can't have any position.

It's probably semantics tho'.
This is just it. You can have positive belief or negative belief... or you have no belief. I.e. I believe in magic. I believe magic is fake.. and I don't believe in magic. Only a slight difference but an important one

But there's a reason why you asked yourself the "belief in magic" question. So if you don't believe in magic then you'll conceptually search for some other answer to that question, and that will form your positive belief.

This certainly beats domestic discussions over shopping lists, jobs around the house, etc. A pleasant diversion for a Monday evening. Thanks :)
 
Lack of belief in something is a belief against something, isn't it?

Not necessarily no, it can just be a state of open mindedness....waiting for evidence. Which, given the complete lack of evidence of the existence of god seems reasonable to me. If he decides to put in an appearance to persuade us all otherwise I'm quite willing to accept I was wrong. Till then I'll put my faith in the scientists to discover what they can about our origins. Maybe they never will, like I already said, but that's no reason to jump to conclusions based on no evidence whatsoever. Nor can refusing to believe in those conclusions drawn by others long ago be classed as a"belief".
 
This is just it. You can have positive belief or negative belief... or you have no belief. I.e. I believe in magic. I believe magic is fake.. and I don't believe in magic. Only a slight difference but an important one

You can't have no beliefe, you either believe or don't believe, both are beliefs.

I agree that two different beliefs can have the exact same meaning.
 
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This is just it. You can have positive belief or negative belief... or you have no belief. I.e. I believe in magic. I believe magic is fake.. and I don't believe in magic. Only a slight difference but an important one

You can't have no beliefe, you either believe or don't believe, both are beliefs.

I agree that two different beliefs can have the exact same meaning.
What's wrong with indifference?
 
This is just it. You can have positive belief or negative belief... or you have no belief. I.e. I believe in magic. I believe magic is fake.. and I don't believe in magic. Only a slight difference but an important one

You can't have no beliefe, you either believe or don't believe, both are beliefs.

I agree that two different beliefs can have the exact same meaning.

Nope.
Right now I am thinking of a concept..a weird one... You don't believe in it... you don't disbelieve it. You are yet to decide. You have no belief on it.
 
Sooey, maybe there is evidence for God's existence, it's just that your current beliefs cause you to evaluate that evidence in a particular way which causes you to discount it as evidence. Just as someone who already has a faith in God will evaluate that evidence to support their beliefs. Which is why some people choose to point to the fact that we can't see what came before the Big Bang (assuming you subscribe to that theory) as supporting God's existence. Life through a lens....

Not making this personal, btw, just being clear over who I'm replying to.
 
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