Tories promise new minimum wage £10.50 ph .....but there is a catch!

[Vinty]

That's always the left wing argument. Find an example of someone who is genuine misfortune and and use that as an argument to block an entire policy that would actually benefit the majority.

The need for the delay in the start of benefits in universal credit is definitely a hardship that needs to be addressed. However, the concept of a simplified benefits system where people are clearly better off when working is a no brainer in my opinion. Part of the resistance to Universal Credit is the fact that its a lower paying benefits system than the previous systems and people on benefits understandably don't want to see that cut. However, unless we find a way to break the addiction to the government subsidising those who choose not to work or are on low incomes (oh, how about increasing the minimum wage?), the benefits bill will continue to spiral upwards and place more and more tax load on those who do work or are in the higher income tax bracket.

If employers paid decent wages there would be no need for anyone to claim benefits.
Working people would pay more taxes while the need for taxpayer subsidies would reduce.
The unemployed would have more incentive to get a job rather than sit at home all day planning the next holiday to Benidorm or smoking dope.

 

[Vinty]

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[SirGalahad]

The Government wants to move towards more indirect taxes on consumption which tend to be more regressive than those on income. When taxes are placed on income should companies pay a different rate to the employee?

Universal credit as a concept was laudable but it's implementation to squeeze the weakest in society was by design. Now if all these people on low incomes and benefit scroungers are all leftys and there are millions of these scroungers why don't they all vote Labour who is soft on these welfare abusers? It would be an easy election win.

 

[SirGalahad]

The Government wants to move towards more indirect taxes on consumption which tend to be more regressive than those on income. When taxes are placed on income should companies pay a different rate to the employee?

Universal credit as a concept was laudable but it's implementation to squeeze the weakest in society was by design. Now if all these people on low incomes and benefit scroungers are all leftys and there are millions of these scroungers why don't they all vote Labour who is soft on these welfare abusers? It would be an easy election win.

 

[Ihavenojob]

You are very lucky then. Not everybody is as lucky as you. We used to let them fester and die, but life was much worse for everybody as a result.
Try living somewhere without a welfare system and you will soon learn to appreciate it much more.

So , to ensure people on benefits have a comfortable life, if tax & NI double to pay for it you would be OK with that?

 

[JP_]

So , to ensure people on benefits have a comfortable life, if tax & NI double to pay for it you would be OK with that?

It's all about balance. The alternative is much more crime. Societies that don't offer a safety net always have higher crime rates, which means people are less safe on the streets and in their homes. There's usually less police too. We really don't want to go down that route. Obviously I don't want to pay double, but we need to accept that although there are some people abusing the system, many people need it and it is stopping people turning to criminal activity.

I'd prefer to pay tax than be mugged.

 

[JP_]

dot.

 

[SirGalahad]

 

[SirGalahad]

It's all about balance. The alternative is much more crime. Societies that don't offer a safety net always have higher crime rates, which means people are less safe on the streets and in their homes. There's usually less police too. We really don't want to go down that route. Obviously I don't want to pay double, but we need to accept that although there are some people abusing the system, many people need it and it is stopping people turning to criminal activity.

I'd prefer to pay tax than be mugged.

Third world countries- no benefits, no regulations, no taxation on the rich - what more do you want?

 

[Brigadier]

“Social security is supposed to give people dignity and respect, not punish and police them." - JC

Dignity and respect for sitting on your arse, playing the x-box all day on the 55" flat screen, in your designer gear, in your rent-free home, while scoffing pizza delivered by the local Uber Eats.

While someone else pays for all that dignity and respect. Isn't the commie life just cookey.

Have you informed the HMRC that this person who is abusing the system?

Are they "abusing the system"?
Or are they just getting their entitlement? The level of which may seem too "comfortable" to some?

 

[motorbiking]

The Government wants to move towards more indirect taxes on consumption which tend to be more regressive than those on income. When taxes are placed on income should companies pay a different rate to the employee?

Do you mean self employed people vs those on PAYE or are you saying there should be a link between corporation tax and income tax? I can't see the logic in arguing they should be the same?

 

[^woody^]

Are they "abusing the system"?
Or are they just getting their entitlement? The level of which may seem too "comfortable" to some?

The "entitlement" is the issue. That's why the system should not make it easy to live your whole life on it off the backs of others.

But oh no, once some woman with 10 kids off 8 different fathers starts moaning that she can't afford to look after them, the liberals and lefties are in uproar about such an injust benefit system.

Benefits are intended to be a temporary safety net, not a lifestyle choice paid for off the back of others. Targeted to those who need it, but not splashed around to anyone who wants some.

 

[^woody^]

duplicate

 

[SirGalahad]

Do you mean self employed people vs those on PAYE or are you saying there should be a link between corporation tax and income tax? I can't see the logic in arguing they should be the same?

Why should they be different Corp and income tax?

 

[JohnD]

I can't see the logic in arguing they should be the same?

It is a mistake to assume that taxation is either logical or fair.

however the citizen has the right to complain about injustice.