Tories promise new minimum wage £10.50 ph .....but there is a catch!

[Notch7]

The "entitlement" is the issue. That's why the system should not make it easy to live your whole life on it off the backs of others.

But oh no, once some woman with 10 kids off 8 different fathers starts moaning that she can't afford to look after them, the liberals and lefties are in uproar about such an injust benefit system.

Benefits are intended to be a temporary safety net, not a lifestyle choice paid for off the back of others. Targeted to those who need it, but not splashed around to anyone who wants some.

You are conveniently ignoring the people that are really suffering due to universal and those suffering due to PIP.
But as long as you hold on to the stereotype of some woman with 10 kids off 8 fathers you dont care.

I agree the benefits system has and does allow some people to take advantage, but you take that small minority and tar all with the same brush....that way it absolves you from any need for caring

perhaps you find this amusing:
Dying people forced to wait for Universal Credit are turning to food banks
The shocking figures, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, demonstrate how some of the most vulberable people in society are being coerced into requesting vital welfare support through a system that has been widely discredited by experts, charities, and others.


People with life-limiting illnesses, diseases, and disabilities, are having to resort to using food banks due the complexities they face when lodging a claim for Universal Claim.
https://welfareweekly.com/dying-peo...r-universal-credit-are-turning-to-food-banks/

 

[Notch7]

The "entitlement" is the issue.

Yes with Johnson, Rees Moog, Gove entitlement is certainly the issue

 

[Notch7]

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[JohnD]

But oh no, once some woman with 10 kids off 8 different fathers starts moaning that she can't afford to look after them, the liberals and lefties are in uproar about such an injust benefit system.

The benefit is intended to protect the children from poverty. Do you want to punish the children?

When we have a Prime Minister who has numerous children by different mothers it is rash to make assumptions about parents.

Some men are just inherently irresponsible. Luckily not all of them become Prime Minister.

 

[JohnD]

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another ****** duplicate.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Why aren't all people on benefits either criminals or using food banks?

 

[Lower]

Is your post based upon informed opinion or is it based on the propaganda peddled by the Telegraph?

I notice your anger is directed at what you consider to be 'benefit scroungers' placing a tax load on those higher up in the income tax bracket.

I dont see you directing your anger at the tax load created by the super rich living in tax havens and pay virtually no tax.

I assume from your posts that your anger is directed at the higher income tax bracket. Bearing in mind that those earning in the top 1% pay 28% of all income tax is that a sensible strategy?

You don't see my 'anger' being directed at the super rich who avoid tax. But that's because you know very little about me other than the fact that i read the daily telegraph as my primary paper of choice. That paper does not define me or my views.

What i do believe is that people should make their own way and not expect to routinely be subsidised by the state unless they have medical or similar issues that they genuinely cannot overcome. The benefits system should be a temporary safety net, not a long term comfort blanket.

 

[SirGalahad]

I assume from your posts that your anger is directed at the higher income tax bracket. Bearing in mind that those earning in the top 1% pay 28% of all income tax is that a sensible strategy?

You don't see my 'anger' being directed at the super rich who avoid tax. But that's because you know very little about me other than the fact that i read the daily telegraph as my primary paper of choice. That paper does not define me or my views.

What i do believe is that people should make their own way and not expect to routinely be subsidised by the state unless they have medical or similar issues that they genuinely cannot overcome. The benefits system should be a temporary safety net, not a long term comfort blanket.

Thats 28% of 25% of the total tax collected by the Government.

What we need is more policies helping the middle class, we need a thtiving and expanding middleclass.

 

[JohnD]

expect to routinely be subsidised by the state

Some sort of assumption there.

Obviously you are too young to have had the benefit of university education prior to student loans; and too rich to have attended a state school or used the NHS.

 

[Lower]

Thats 28% of 25% of the total tax collected by the Government.

What we need is more policies helping the middle class, we need a thriving and expanding middleclass.

I agree, albeit i think that the lines between lower and middle class have become truly blurred.

Those in the 'middle' are net contributors of tax and the governments aim should be to encourage more people into that zone.

 

[motorbiking]

Some sort of assumption there.

Obviously you are too young to have had the benefit of university education prior to student loans; and too rich to have attended a state school or used the NHS.

Perhaps they paid those fees back?
https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/812851/Table_2.4.pdf#page=2

Looking at the %age of tax paid by the top 25% its hard to support an argument that the rich pay less tax under conservative vs labour.

 

[JohnD]

you are perhaps suggesting that they paid more tax than a person now on the same income who did not get free university and maintenance grant?

tell me how that worked.

For all we know, Lower has a degree in History of Art and is now working as a Parish Priest. So not paying much tax at all.

 

[motorbiking]

I'm suggesting that free/subsidised university fees is not the same as out of work benefits. As the former tends to lead the individual to pay substantially more tax over their working life.

I think university should be funded but not for 50% of the population.

 

[Ihavenojob]

What are tuition fees in Scotland, are they similar to England & Wales ?

 

[JP_]

I'm suggesting that free/subsidised university fees is not the same as out of work benefits. As the former tends to lead the individual to pay substantially more tax over their working life.

I think university should be funded but not for 50% of the population.

You recognise that it is good, and should be free or subsidised, but not for everybody?
How do you decide who gets free places and who pays?
University has become and extension of school education, which the state pays for. The state wants more people to get an education. The state should support people better!

 

[motorbiking]

What are tuition fees in Scotland, are they similar to England & Wales ?

£1,820 vs £9,250 - one might argue its subsidised by English tax payers

You recognise that it is good, and should be free or subsidised, but not for everybody?
How do you decide who gets free places and who pays?
University has become and extension of school education, which the state pays for. The state wants more people to get an education. The state should support people better!

It shouldn't be. In my day we had highly valued vocational higher ed and also polytechnics. Those really suffered once the University remit expanded. We also have Uni's incentivised to compete for fees, by lowering entrance and exist standards.

 

[JohnD]

I think university should be funded but not for 50% of the population.

Very wise.

More educated people tend to be more pro-EU and anti-Brexit

Ignorance is essential.

Do you think that children should be forced to live in poverty if their father abandons the mother?

Woody seems to

some woman with 10 kids off 8 different fathers

Perhaps even if the women are not some of the ones saddled with the Prime Minister's children