Tory Government? God help us all

[jellycat]

I'd love to be able to pinpoint the unfairness of the Tories' policies as spelt out in their manifesto, but they haven't got any policies. Or at least none that they're prepared to own up to. Which is kind of worrying.

Their big election ticket was the Big Society. What does that mean? No-one knows, not even the Tories who couldn't sell it on the doorstep. They're all whining about it.

Our reform agenda is designed to empower communities to come together to address local issues. For example, we will enable parents
to start new schools, empower communities to take over local amenities such as parks and libraries that are under threat, give neighbourhoods greater control of the planning system, and enable residents to hold the police to account in neighbourhood beat meetings. These policies will give new powers and rights to neighbourhood groups: the ‘little platoons’
of civil society – and the institutional building blocks of the Big Society.

Really, what does this all mean in practice? For example: "empowering communities to take over parks and libraries which are under threat" -

Shouldn't the government be ensuring parks and libraries are funded so they're not under threat? And isn't it likely that the only communities with the time and money to devote to this sort of caper will be more affluent ones? The rest of us are too busy trying to earn a crust. Don't all children deserve a park to play in and a library to borrow books from, not just those who live in better off areas?

 

[PE]

Who gave this country a Health service for all. Tories?
Who gave this country a minimum wage .Tories?
Who gave lower paid families tax breaks, Tories?
Who gave lower paid people a top up to scrape by on a reasonable income,Tories?
Who gave maternal leave to women as a right,Tories?
Who was about to give maternal leave to men as a right,Tories?


YOU HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD, AND NOW YOU HAVE BLOWN IT BIG TIME WITH LORD SNOOTY AND HIS CHUMS, GOD HELP US ALL!!!!Every public sevice will be dismantled, wave bye bye to the Health service as more leave because of the cuts about to come.....poor fools.....you have had your honeymoon.........get ready for the bitter divorce people.....

How many aliases you going to post under?

Those who cannot see what Labour have done to this country should have their voting rights removed IMO.

Personally I think we are living through a key few years in british political history that will be taught on school curriculums in years to come, and economics lessons on why Socialist policies do not work in long term practice when mixed with Capitalist dreams and teh reality of global free markets

Do I think the Tories will do a better job. I have no idea, but I think they have an unenviable job inheriting the mess they are. Do I think many people will struggle in the next 10/15 years - undoubedly. The credit card bill has finally hit the mat and now we have to start paying for it rather than extending our credit limit (again) or transferring it to another card....

Still if you brainwash enough people you will end up with a core of support whatever you do as some people show on these sorts of posts

 

[skitzee2k]

I'd love to be able to pinpoint the unfairness of the Tories' policies as spelt out in their manifesto, but they haven't got any policies. Or at least none that they're prepared to own up to. Which is kind of worrying.

Their big election ticket was the Big Society. What does that mean? No-one knows, not even the Tories who couldn't sell it on the doorstep. They're all whining about it.

Our reform agenda is designed to empower communities to come together to address local issues. For example, we will enable parents
to start new schools, empower communities to take over local amenities such as parks and libraries that are under threat, give neighbourhoods greater control of the planning system, and enable residents to hold the police to account in neighbourhood beat meetings. These policies will give new powers and rights to neighbourhood groups: the ‘little platoons’
of civil society – and the institutional building blocks of the Big Society.

Really, what does this all mean in practice? For example: "empowering communities to take over parks and libraries which are under threat" -

Shouldn't the government be ensuring parks and libraries are funded so they're not under threat? And isn't it likely that the only communities with the time and money to devote to this sort of caper will be more affluent ones? The rest of us are too busy trying to earn a crust. Don't all children deserve a park to play in and a library to borrow books from, not just those who live in better off areas?

So...you have no policies that you can point to? I mean, leaving aside the fact that you don't seem to think they have any policies yet have managed to decide that their policies are in favour of Etonians(?!).

The big society is a good idea, in contrast to big government.

It is based on many similar projects like those in other countries...Harlem is a good example. Where some schools were taken over by the parents and now produce great results. Of course next thing you'll be telling us that Harlem only has well off people.

They will train commmunity organisers so their full time job is to work with the community (this in america was attacked by the right wing as being too socialist, so it will be interesting to see you try and make this seem right wing).

They will give grants to neighbourhoods in the poorest areas to improve local services and set up neighbourhood organisations to be caretakers of it.

They will set up a Big Society bank made up of money from private donations and unclaimed bank assets to pay for all this.

All this information is readily available and not one line of it is to cater for the 'Etonians', every single line is for the people that need the help the most.

You should really stop letting people tell you there are no policies because you look like an idiot when someone can reel them off.

 

[Shifty22]

I can't believe what I have just been reading?!!

Are you seriously telling me that under Labour this country would be better off than with the tories? what a load of b*llocks!! I don't even support the tories but only mentally retarded, Jeremy Kyle show watching council trash would think we would be better off with another 5 years of Labour!

All of you that keep raking up the past about Thatcher need to move on, the country was a completely different place back then, look how much has changed since! Fuel in the late 80's was 85p per gallon, it's now over £5, immigration has destroyed communities and job prospects, the NHS is still a joke, schools are a multicultural freak show, taxes have sky rocketed, we are under surveillance 24/7 and we are in one of the worst economical positions we have ever been in! Thank you Labour.

I still stick to my guns that you have to meet a certain IQ level to have a vote, it's muppets like this "plum" who will cause the eventual downfall of the country.

We need to get out of Europe, avoid the Euro currency like the plague, stop all the immigrants poncing off of our system, end benefits for the workshy lager drinking scum of society and toughen up our justice system.

Get a life plum you f*cking plankton, when we need the opinion of an under educated ****** we'll give you a shout

 

[skitzee2k]

One idea, not exactly reeling off Tory policies are we?

Reel some of the cuts they`ll be making, should I start or will you, you first, you obviously think you are middle to upper class. Off we go then..
shall we see who is the idiot?

Have we spoken before by any chance as you seem a bit overly familiar with me considering this is the first time we have spoke?

I was commenting on the one policy questioned.

He claimed there were no details, I told him the details.

Cuts are going to come pretty much everywhere...it is what happens when the previous has spent us within an inch of economic disaster, however with the conservative policies in hand, it will be better managed.

Some propsed cuts, cutting MPs by 10% and increasing areas.
Pay freeze on all but the LOWEST PAID public sector workers, increase in retirement age.

I don't quite understand the point of this exercise...can't you be bothered to read the manifesto yourself or something??

and BTW What has class got to do with anything you imbecile?

 

[PE]

How many aliases you going to post under?

I was removed before for swearing, I think, I`ll post under any aliases it takes to show you up for the shallow, greedy,materialistic, me,me that you are. Tory Boy...

You aren't very good at this trolling malarkey are you....

 

[jellycat]

So...you have no policies that you can point to? I mean, leaving aside the fact that you don't seem to think they have any policies yet have managed to decide that their policies are in favour of Etonians(?!).

The big society is a good idea, in contrast to big government.

It is based on many similar projects like those in other countries...Harlem is a good example. Where some schools were taken over by the parents and now produce great results. Of course next thing you'll be telling us that Harlem only has well off people.

They will train commmunity organisers so their full time job is to work with the community (this in america was attacked by the right wing as being too socialist, so it will be interesting to see you try and make this seem right wing).

They will give grants to neighbourhoods in the poorest areas to improve local services and set up neighbourhood organisations to be caretakers of it.

They will set up a Big Society bank made up of money from private donations and unclaimed bank assets to pay for all this.

All this information is readily available and not one line of it is to cater for the 'Etonians', every single line is for the people that need the help the most.

You should really stop letting people tell you there are no policies because you look like an idiot when someone can reel them off.

Of course I don't think there are only well off people in Harlem!

Maybe you're right and I am thick, but none of what you've quoted seems like solid, well thought out policy to me. It's all so woolly and full of gaps. Even senior Tories have called the Big Society "gimmicky nonsense".

Who's going to administer the Big Bank, for example? The Tories are planning to slash the public sector both nationally and locally (oh, look a policy, you're right, they do have some!), so that's not going to dovetail very well. Perhaps they're planning on using the private sector? Hmm. That'll cost a pretty penny.

 

[skitzee2k]

It dovetails perfectly. A lot of the big society is people doing it off their own back, not because they are getting paid huge amounts of money but because they wanna make things better.

A fine example would be my other half, who offered her help and adivce F.O.C. to our local council to help with waste management, environment issues etc as she has more qualifications and letters after her name in this subject than anyone I have met. She just believes in what she does and wanted to make our local area better, but she was told they already have someone that does it and didn't need any help, and we found the vacancy for the last time this position was open and it was for 60-80k a year.
...and they are doing a **** job

 

[skitzee2k]

F*ucking Tory idiot, lets see his b*ollox regarding our guys fighting the war on Terrorism. will fill his trousers and run for Mammys tittie.Upper class t*wat can`t run a working class country, get used to it Tory muppets, have your day. IT WON`T LAST LONG ..............

Dude, I am tory and grew up in a 2 bed house where sometimes my mum had to work 13/14 hours a day so both me and my sister could get fed. I am working class...I work. Labour has nothing for me, they want to take my money away and give it to people that don't.

I haven't clawed my way out of the **** only to have all my money taken away because I dared to work hard and earn a decent wage which the labour morons decide is too much.

 

[joe-90]

The unions wanted the minimum wage (labour paymasters). They then allowed illegal immigrants in to offset it. Simples.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Working families tax credits encourage ppl to work less and gain more money for it; a crap idea if ever there was one.

I think all benefits should be reduced and paid in vouchers for clothes, food, fuel etc. No cash should be paid at all. If you don't like that get a job instead ffs.

 

[joe-90]

You are just an irrelevant obnoxious d*ickhead, craving attention, go away, your opinions are worthless here. Grown ups are trying to have a debate.

You surely don't count yourself amongst them do you?

 

[joe-90]

Working families tax credits encourage ppl to work less and gain more money for it; a crap idea if ever there was one.

I think all benefits should be reduced and paid in vouchers for clothes, food, fuel etc. No cash should be paid at all. If you don't like that get a job instead ffs.

That's why the Tories lost the election - no voter would vote himself short in his pocket would he?

 

[sooey]

You are just an irrelevant obnoxious d*ickhead, craving attention, go away, your opinions are worthless here. Grown ups are trying to have a debate.

How ironic, you've just excluded yourself you irrelevant obnoxious d*ickheadl.

 

[Norcon]

Who was about to give maternal leave to men as a right

Big deal.
Since this is largely unpaid leave, it is largely pointless. No-one could afford to do it, especially when there's a new child to feed and clothe, so the take-up will be minimal.

I suspect that's what the government wants - minimal take-up, low cost but a nice headline they can sell to say/spin how much they've done for fathers, families etc.