Trouble at mill.

[gant]

If Labour is truly the party of equality, it wouldn’t shut down the trans debate | Sonia Sodha

The party sent the wrong message in denying a platform to a gender-critical group

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pat ex]

Obviously the anti-trans people, i.e. "Labour Women’s Declaration" want to exclude a group of other people, therefore they are not inclusive.
Therefore the argument that anti-trans should be allowed a platform on the grounds of equality is a non-starter, and a false argument.

The Human Rights Campaign reported that 2021 was the deadliest year to date for transgender and gender non-conforming people with a greater total number of deaths than in the preceding six years. Some commentators attribute this substantial increase to the wave of proposed anti-trans legislation that entered public discourse in 2021.

https://facingtoday.facinghistory.org/anti-trans-legislation-how-we-got-here-and-why-it-matters

 

[gant]

The more pertinent point is this new found optimism for winning the election could be put in jeopardy. Not think?

 

[Pat ex]

The more pertinent point is this new found optimism for winning the election could be put in jeopardy. Not think?

You think that trans issues are top of the public's concerns?

 

[transam]

He has to keep the the shouty fruit cake groups happy

Dare say come the next election the party activists will go door knocking informing traditional Labour voters about trans gender issues

 

[gant]

You think that trans issues are top of the public's concerns?

Kept the liberals off the scoreboard at the last election.

 

[gant]

He has to keep the the shouty fruit cake groups happy

Dare say come the next election the party activists will go door knocking informing traditional Labour voters about trans gender issues

I'm sure they'll be invited in for a cup of tiffin in the Muslim community.

 

[Pat ex]

He has to keep the the shouty fruit cake groups happy

Dare say come the next election the party activists will go door knocking informing traditional Labour voters about trans gender issues

Kept the liberals off the scoreboard at the last election.

I'm sure they'll be invited in for a cup of tiffin in the Muslim community.

Off they go, feeding each other's bigoted frenzy.

 

[transam]

I'm sure they'll be invited in for a cup of tiffin in the Muslim community.

In these areas ( Leicester) labour activists distribute leaflets with a pic of Johnson shaking hands with the Indian PM ( Hindu)

Not that that stirred up any racial dis harmony of course

 

[JohnD]

Obviously the anti-trans people, i.e. "Labour Women’s Declaration" want to exclude a group of other people,

I'm not aware that somebody wants men to be barred from joining the Labour Party if they say "I am a woman."

Where did you hear that story?

 

[Pat ex]

I'm not aware that somebody wants men to be barred from joining the Labour Party if they say "I am a woman."

Where did you hear that story?

You're making things up, JohnD, the Labour Women’s Declaration do not want to stop transgender people joining the labour party.
People who say "I am a woman", or "I am a man", or "I am gender fluid", or even people who say, "I'm not sure which gender I am", are, as far as I am aware, all welcome to join the labour party, unless you know differently.
It has nothing to do with which political party you belong to, if any.

 

[JohnD]

So did you mean by "Exclude"

Obviously the anti-trans people, i.e. "Labour Women’s Declaration" want to exclude a group of other people,

That they wish to prevent such men joining their group?

What do you say they want to exclude such men from?

 

[gant]

Off they go, feeding each other's bigoted frenzy.

Why don't you address the difficulties labour will have in winning back red wall seats as per thread title (trouble at mill) rather than getting all hot and bothered about posts pointing out the problems labour will face.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Obviously the anti-trans people, i.e.

The majority.

 

[gant]

The majority.

It's like the electorate are being forced down a path not of there choosing when the liberals and labour are as one on the trans gender ideology. The conservatives are in power and we see how this has come to prominence on their watch.
So there you have it "your avin it"