Trump encourages Putin to attack NATO...

Trump can't unilaterally withdraw.

Article VI of the Constitution in short... "this article declares that the Constitution and the laws and treaties of the federal government are the highest in the land.

Nato membership is a treaty.
 
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Mottie said:
Most of the f'cking EU stick out!
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Brexiteer who can't tell us about a single advantage about brexit confuses the EU with NATO....

In order to make what point?

Oh that's right, mottie wants to blame the EU for everything! :rolleyes:

What's to bet he'll be blaming the EU for this next...

"A Royal Navy aircraft carrier has failed to set sail for a Nato exercise, a week after its sister ship pulled out because of a mechanical fault.
HMS Prince of Wales was due to replace HMS Queen Elizabeth in Exercise Steadfast Defender - the largest Nato exercise since the Cold War.
However, the £3bn warship has remained in Portsmouth and the harbour mouth has been reopened to normal marine traffic.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said the departure had been "postponed"

Someone ought to remind mottie that it's not always how much you spend, it's what you spend it on ;)
 
ellal said:
Brexiteer who …..confuses the EU with NATO....
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No confusion at all. Only 5 the 21 EU countries in NATO coughed up the agreed amount. The UK's contribution met the agreed amount and swamped the amount paid by those 5 EU countries that did meet their commitments. The EU NATO nations in general, are like those people in a pub that disappear into the bogs when it’s their round having enjoyed the drinks they have been taking from others all night. Shame on them. Trump is right on that matter, they should pay. The bit about encouraging Russia to attack them was stupid though. Germany, often put up by you and other remainers as a model of EU efficiency and prosperity has admitted that they won’t be able to pay what they agreed until 2031 at the earliest. Why is that, if they are such a model of EU efficiency?

ellal said:
Someone ought to remind mottie that it's not always how much you spend, it's what you spend it on
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Yeah, perhaps if we’d spent more in our own aircraft carriers instead of honouring our commitment to others we would have had them ready but if we had have short-changed NATO to do that, I’m sure you would have had something to say about that too.
 
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Mottie said:
No confusion at all. Only 5 the 21 EU countries in NATO coughed up the agreed amount.
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Why didn't you just say that certain NATO member countries didn't meet the spending budget?

Oh that's right, because having voted for the brexit disaster you still hate the bloc that you voted for the UK to leave :rolleyes:

But I have to thank you for clearing something up...

Brexiteers claimed that the EU made the laws/controlled the money, and all member countries had to follow them. And that member states weren't sovereign ones...

So if individual states can make different choices as regards amongst most other things defence spending, then they are indeed sovereign states...

Hence your evident confusion ;)

Mottie said:
The bit about encouraging Russia to attack them was stupid though.
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The brexit campaign encouraged putin to help try and destabalise Europe (or was it the other way around?), so not much difference about the stupidity - just different words!

Mottie said:
Germany, often put up by you and other remainers as a model of EU efficiency and prosperity has admitted that they won’t be able to pay what they agreed until 2031 at the earliest. Why is that, if they are such a model of EU efficiency?
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But didn't brexiteers keep telling us that Germany was taking over Europe again? :rolleyes:
 
ellal said:
But didn't brexiteers keep telling us that Germany was taking over Europe again?
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They're trying. They are just building up a war chest with those missed NATO payments. Any reason you can think of why the so-called most successful European economy can’t or won’t pay their way?
 
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why do people post rubbish - Germany
The announced individual contributions from the defense budget (EUR 51.8 billion), the Special Fund (EUR 19.2 billion), and shares from other budgets (about EUR 7 billion) correspond to a total of about EUR 78 billion. NATO's two percent target will, however, require about EUR 85 billion in defense spending in 2024.19 Jul 2023
 
Trump is odious, truly odious. I'm not sure what it says about many Americans who seem to think he's the second coming. Mind you, look at the UK and Boris.

Regardless of his direct/indirect intention on making the comment, for me it was a stupid thing to say.

On UK defence spending, I read something the other day saying much of the £££ goes up in smoke thanks to lack of coherent strategy, wasteful procurement processes and too much bureaucracy. Pretty much like the rest of our large organisations then.
 
TBH I wonder if the increase in contributions is project fear. Good for the arms industry though.
 
ellal said:
Brexiteer who can't tell us about a single advantage about brexit confuses the EU with NATO....
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There is no confusion.
Most of the EU members are also members of Nato, some of which are under paying putting us all at risk.

This isn't like World war 2 where we stood tall until the yanks and other allies could help.

Deterrent is the key and we are all under prepared if Donald doesn't do was Roosevelt did, then we are fuçkjed.
 
ajohn said:
Poland3.9%
United States3.49%
Greece3.01%
Estonia2.73%
Lithuania2.54%
Finland2.45%
Romania2.44%
Hungary2.43%
Latvia2.27%
United Kingdom2.07%
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You left out the Irish Republic.
Their spending is 0.5 of GDP.
The Russian embassy in Dublin was refused planning permission when they want to double the size of their buildings .
They are already have more diplomats in Ireland than any other European state.
If Sinn Féin win the next election, there could be trouble ahead.


ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Lack of Irish security ‘back door threat to UK’ says report

A new report published today by Policy Exchange – backed by former Defence Secretaries - sets out how "Irish security freeloading" requires the UK to rediscover the strategic importance of Northern Ireland to its national security.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk ukdefencejournal.org.uk
 
Its not just about money, Germany is better prepared for war than us, in terms of reserves, and I suspect better weapons and equipment. They dont to my knowledge have nuclear weapons, so their budget is better concentrated on conventional weapons than ours. The invasion of ukrane shows that conventional war is the most likely scenario. Trumpf is softening up his electorate to pull American support from Europe, and all tne right wingers can do is say pay your bills. Its a lot more than tnat at stake.

In the interests of balance we have some fine aircraft carriers.
 
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