Tyre tax anyone?

[diy_fun_uk]

To be fair, government is saying the consultation work is nowt to do with informing future tax policy. However I'm not sure I fully believe them.

Drivers could be forced to pay 'tyre tax' in crackdown on emissions

Although many Brits are struggling with the cost of living crisis there are strong indications some could be hit with a 'tyre tax'.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

 

[IT Minion]

In theory it's great. Idiots who shared tyres will foot more of the bill and those who drive slowly and safely will foot less. The line about EVs paying more will make petrol heads happy because they won't realise that in practice EVs are gentler on tyres. Win win.

But the potential impact of people hanging on to unsafe tyres is probably too high a bar.

 

[ellal]

"If levied at the point of sale, it would lead to cheaper tyres being taxed more heavily as they are far more likely to wear more quickly and shed a higher number of particles into the environment and better quality ones being taxed less"

As always hammer the less well off !

 

[Brigadier]

"If levied at the point of sale, it would lead to cheaper tyres being taxed more heavily as they are far more likely to wear more quickly and shed a higher number of particles into the environment and better quality ones being taxed less"

AKA the lobbyists for the bigger manufacturers demanded this

 

[Brigadier]

in practice EVs are gentler on tyres.

Have you any evidence to back this up?

Although limited to my own experience and that of my EV-driving colleagues and friends, that they are more often AWD than ICEs are, are heavier than equivalent ICE, and have stonking acceleration (which is very addictive, they tell me, even if it is just getting away from the lights a bit quicker than everyone else) all adds to tyre-shredding.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

, even if it is just getting away from the lights a bit quicker than everyone else)

My 18 year old van is quicker from the lights than many new ICE cars these days. By the time their tree-hugger stop-start engines have kicked into life, I'm just a blur in the distance.

 

[ic1927]

My last van, a Citroen Berlingo, did 0-60 in three weeks.

 

[ajohn]

s they are far more likely to wear more quickly

True
In some ways it would make more sense to do something about the tyres that are available. Brake pads too.

 

[Mottie]

"If levied at the point of sale, it would lead to cheaper tyres being taxed more heavily as they are far more likely to wear more quickly and shed a higher number of particles into the environment and better quality ones being taxed less"

As always hammer the less well off !

If you're bothered about the less well off being hammered, you should try to get out of that minimum wage job. Have you thought of retraining? Evening classes maybe?

 

[ajohn]

Have you any evidence to back this up?

No he hasn't. In fact it would need personal experience to find out and your comments about acceleration are generally correct.

 

[conny]

Not being a 'petrol head', what the hell are AWD's and ICE's?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If you're bothered about the less well off being hammered, you should try to get out of that minimum wage job. Have you thought of retraining? Evening classes maybe?

thinking about 1 person, not a lot of people ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

True
In some ways it would make more sense to do something about the tyres that are available. Brake pads too.

I think they are working on tyres, was reading something about Michelin using an airless tyre ? Can't find the info off hand and I might be wrong.

But generally the better the grip the more the wear (not an exact science though).
Brake pads, I think some ev's use electric motors so no brakes as such needed

edited to add

Michelin uptis tyre

 

[securespark]

Not being a 'petrol head', what the hell are AWD's and ICE's?

All Wheel Drive

ICE used to stand for In Car Entertainment but lately it stands for Internal Combustion Engine.

 

[ajohn]

But generally the better the grip the more the wear (not an exact science though).
Brake pads, I think some ev's use electric motors so no brakes as such needed

Tyre wear really does show on high performance cars if the power is used. Can't see why an ev should be any different. A practical mass market EV is likely to be rather different to current offering where performance numbers get mentioned especially acceleration.

EV's can use regenerative braking but there will be a limit on how much power can be dumped to the battery to brake the vehicle.

4 wheel drive wears the rears more rapidly than the front hence the need to do X tyre change overs. Not much fun if the car reports which tyre has a problem. Service needs to tell the car which tyre is where. Mine doesn't tell me. Uses tyre rotation speed as does the better model which does indicate which tyre. Simple software change. Some use tyre pressure. Whoops - have a main agent service it.