Tyre tax anyone?

[securespark]

Talking of cheap tyres, being a sad old nerd, I look at the tyres on parked vehicles as I am walking by.

There has been a marked increase since lockdown of the numbers of cheap brands I am seeing.

Landsail, Sailun, Autogreen, Runway etc....personally, I hate them all.

I had a set of Landsail tyres taken off the boys car soon after we got it and replaced them with Bridgestone Weather Control A005s.

 

[Justin Passing]

4 wheel drive wears the rears more rapidly than the front

Mine don't.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Mine don't.

Agree, not sure that's fully accurate.

Also many awd often need all 4 tyres or at least changed in pairs to keep rolling diameters similar. Often can't be rotated around the car because of the wear.

 

[ajohn]

Mine don't.

What car and what front rear power split? Weight transfer usually ensures there will be one.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Talking of cheap tyres, being a sad old nerd, I look at the tyres on parked vehicles as I am walking by.

There has been a marked increase since lockdown of the numbers of cheap brands I am seeing.

Landsail, Sailun, Autogreen, Runway etc....personally, I hate them all.

I had a set of Landsail tyres taken off the boys car soon after we got it and replaced them with Bridgestone Weather Control A005s.

I sort of agree, but then I see a lot of vehicles with "good brand" tyres virtually worn out, or illegal. Id rather see a set of cheap tyres with tread on these cars than branded but no tread.

 

[Brigadier]

Not being a 'petrol head', what the hell are AWD's and ICE's?

All Wheel Drive

Internal Combustion Engine

 

[Brigadier]

Talking of cheap tyres, being a sad old nerd, I look at the tyres on parked vehicles as I am walking by.

There has been a marked increase since lockdown of the numbers of cheap brands I am seeing.

Landsail, Sailun, Autogreen, Runway etc....personally, I hate them all.

I had a set of Landsail tyres taken off the boys car soon after we got it and replaced them with Bridgestone Weather Control A005s.

When I was a kid in the eighties, my BMX had some Korean / Taiwanese tyres on it. Branded as "Dae Yung"

Still makes me smile now


Found some on eBay:

Dae Yung old school bmx knobby tire | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Dae Yung old school bmx knobby tire at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

 

[ajohn]

I finished up working for Haldex after being sold a few time. Their 4 wheel drive unit is all over the place. It sounds like theirs will wear fronts out first with a bit of an if given lots of heavy accel stop starts

How do Haldex couplings work?

An easy-peasy guide to the world’s most common all-wheel drive

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I read details about it before it was released. Long ago but can remember thinking - get it serviced correctly. TBH I wondered about that aspect. I think cars should last for ever. Fat chance, They appear to be getting worse.

Unlike a fixed conventional 4 wheel drive X wheel changes shouldn't be needed. On those not doing it can upset the differentials. My Subaru uses the brakes instead of a difflock etc for side by side wheel slip. I suspect most do these days. Easy to do once fitted with brake assist and ABS. Split from memory is 1/3 front, 2/3 rear. Firmish driving improves the handling.. Part of the idea.

 

[Mottie]

wheel drive wears the rears more rapidly than the front hence the need to do X tyre change overs.

I can’t see how that would happen - the front wheels have to steer too so they will have side forces applied to them as well as the driving forces.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Tyre wear really does show on high performance cars if the power is used. Can't see why an ev should be any different. A practical mass market EV is likely to be rather different to current offering where performance numbers get mentioned especially acceleration.

EV's can use regenerative braking but there will be a limit on how much power can be dumped to the battery to brake the vehicle.

4 wheel drive wears the rears more rapidly than the front hence the need to do X tyre change overs. Not much fun if the car reports which tyre has a problem. Service needs to tell the car which tyre is where. Mine doesn't tell me. Uses tyre rotation speed as does the better model which does indicate which tyre. Simple software change. Some use tyre pressure. Whoops - have a main agent service it.

An interesting article.

Do EVs produce more pollution? | RAC Drive

It's been claimed that EVs produce more pollution from brakes and tyres than those on the petrol and diesel cars they are replacing. Read our guide.

www.rac.co.uk

 

[ajohn]

An interesting article.

Going on one's I have worked on I'd have to dispute this comment
the overwhelming majority of braking can be done via regenerative braking.
but I would agree that regen will reduce brake wear.

 

[ajohn]

I can’t see how that would happen

Go tell the makers that produce this type to stop telling owners and their service people to do X ganges then. They obviously haven't a clue.

 

[Mottie]

Go tell the makers that produce this type to stop telling owners and their service people to do X ganges then. They obviously haven't a clue.

And you don’t think that that is because the FRONT tyres wear out quicker than the rears?

I have had a Freelander and an Evoque. The front tyres on both wore out quicker than the rears. Not to mention the hundreds of 4WD vehicles I’ve worked on and carried MOT tests out on. Are you in the motor trade? Here's what a quick search came across. See if you can find a similar amount of articles that back up your theory.

Which tires wear faster on a 4x4?

Rear-wheel drive (RWD) vehicles and part-time four-wheel drive (4×4) vehicles may wear the rear tires faster. Your FWD minivan customer's intuition is that

www.interviewarea.com

https://www.ipaceforums.co.uk/threads/tire-tread-crumbling.5155/

Good tyres on front or rear: Rotation and exchange according to plan

Changing and rotating tyres: Read on to find out why tyre rotation is important. And whether the good tyres should go on the front or rear.

www.uniroyal-tyres.com

Which Tires Wear Faster: Front Or Back? - We Try Tires

The answer to "Which Tires Wear Faster" is usually whichever wheels are the driven wheels of the vehicle. This will depend on which of the 3 different types of drivetrain layout your vehicle has.

www.wetrytires.com

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/147847/do-tyres-on-an-awd-car-wear-quicker-than-a-two-wheel-drive-car-

Do front or rear tires wear faster AWD? | WapCar

Get answers of Do front or rear tires wear faster AWD? <div class="LGOjhe" data-attrid="wa:/description" aria-level......

www.wapcar.my

Perhaps you should contact them to put them right?

 

[IT Minion]

Have you any evidence to back this up?

Although limited to my own experience and that of my EV-driving colleagues and friends, that they are more often AWD than ICEs are, are heavier than equivalent ICE, and have stonking acceleration (which is very addictive, they tell me, even if it is just getting away from the lights a bit quicker than everyone else) all adds to tyre-shredding.

Not good evidence, some say less some say more. Brake pads are definitely better on EVs but they're notably smaller contributors than tyres.

With one pedal driving you do have less harsh braking, which might balance out the harsher acceleration.

 

[ajohn]

Perhaps you should contact them to put them right?

Vehicles equipped with Haldex AWD

• Volkswagen Group (Volkswagen AG) Audi A3 quattro. Audi S3. ...
• Volvo Cars. Volvo S40 AWD. ...
• Ford. Ford Taurus. ...
• Land Rover. Land Rover Freelander 2/LR2. ...
• Saab Automobile. Saab 9-3 Turbo X (2007–2008) (Haldex Fourth Gen with eLSD) ...
• GM. Opel Insignia (US) Buick Regal(Haldex Fourth Gen.without eLSD)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldex_Traction