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Infinitely is obviously an exaggeration, but it is massively harder. Or to expand on it, getting humans to Mars, landing them and getting them back is much much harder.
Also, if I'm understanding which post you're responding to, the point was that landing a human on Mars is infinitely harder than landing a probe, which is true (exaggeration aside). Landon a probe on Mars is far easier than landing humans on the moon.
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If anyone can do it, Musk can do it.
MBK was just trolling. He knows the point and his word salad wont change this....
..and what I've been saying all along.
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Exactly
Going to Mars is weird. There's no conceivable financial reward. It isn't going to improve our survivability as a species in our lifetimes as that would require it to be self sustaining. It is a worthy scientific endeavour, but not one that is likely to bring any immediate returns.
A more immediate and valuable scientific and betterment of the human species activity would be space mining. Catching a nice big nickel asteroid and bringing it into earth orbit. Much easier than Mars and with a possibility of a return and incidentally driving the same infrastructure that would be needed to make Mars Viable.
A more immediate and valuable scientific and betterment of the human species activity would be space mining. Catching a nice big nickel asteroid and bringing it into earth orbit. Much easier than Mars and with a possibility of a return and incidentally driving the same infrastructure that would be needed to make Mars Viable.
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Another reason I think it's unlikely (manned trip) to happen.
Going there for photos and a geology road trip I can see. But staying there for any length of time is still science fiction.
Doesn't a trip to Mars ensure that a wee lay-off is inevitable, what with favourable alignment with the Earth and all that?
Its complicated and depends how far you are willing to stray from ideal Hoffman transfers.
And humanity's success rate at that is not great.
IIRC, a prolonged stay is practically essential: the orbital alignments of Earth and Mars mean that any on Mars would have to stay there for months, before they could feasibly make their return.
I have the figures of 9 months out - 6 months there - 9 months back nagging at me.
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Agreed.
The words infinite, impossible, and never seem to have different meanings for you. Along with the phrase "I know for a fact".
Matt Damon / The Martian perhaps?
Nah, more recent than that.
Likely the Awesome Astronomy podcast, or Curious Cases, or The Naked Scientists (all BBC ones, I think).
One example:
www.bbc.co.uk
What would it take for humans to live permanently on Mars? asks Martin in Weston-super-Mare, UK. The doctors dig into requirements and possibilities of a long-term Martian outpost.
We know that many missions to Mars have failed, for a range of reasons – malfunctions, crashes and even a mix-up between imperial and metric units. Getting to Mars – let alone decelerating from 30,000 miles per hour to a safe landing speed in about seven minutes – is not straightforward. Aerospace engineer Anita Sengupta helped land NASA’s Curiosity rover on Mars. She knows first-hand the challenges of putting a robot on the red planet.
But getting robots to Mars is an easier proposition than doing the same for humans. Even if we work out how to survive the radiation exposure on the eight-month journey and the pulverising descent, Mars’ surface isn’t easily habitable. Principal investigator for NASA’s Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution Mission (MAVEN) Bruce Jakosky describes the conditions on Mars: Freezing, with an atmosphere containing mostly carbon dioxide and very little water, and subject to annual global dust storms.
However, this isn’t deterring space agencies and private companies from researching the challenge. The European Space Agency and Russian Institute for Biomedical Problems focussed on finding out the physiological and psychological tolls by selecting six candidates to spend 520 days in a simulated spacecraft and landing module. Diego Urbina explains the personal challenge of taking part in the Mars500 experiment.
Some private company owners have gone even further. As well as making technology based on the current physical conditions, could those constraints themselves be altered? Could Mars be terraformed, or warmed, for easier human survival? Bruce Jakosky shares just what that would take – and compares these requirements with what’s actually available.
BBC Radio 4 - Curious Cases, Series 17, The Martian Mission
What would it take for humans to live on Mars? Drs Rutherford and Fry investigate.
What would it take for humans to live permanently on Mars? asks Martin in Weston-super-Mare, UK. The doctors dig into requirements and possibilities of a long-term Martian outpost.
We know that many missions to Mars have failed, for a range of reasons – malfunctions, crashes and even a mix-up between imperial and metric units. Getting to Mars – let alone decelerating from 30,000 miles per hour to a safe landing speed in about seven minutes – is not straightforward. Aerospace engineer Anita Sengupta helped land NASA’s Curiosity rover on Mars. She knows first-hand the challenges of putting a robot on the red planet.
But getting robots to Mars is an easier proposition than doing the same for humans. Even if we work out how to survive the radiation exposure on the eight-month journey and the pulverising descent, Mars’ surface isn’t easily habitable. Principal investigator for NASA’s Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution Mission (MAVEN) Bruce Jakosky describes the conditions on Mars: Freezing, with an atmosphere containing mostly carbon dioxide and very little water, and subject to annual global dust storms.
However, this isn’t deterring space agencies and private companies from researching the challenge. The European Space Agency and Russian Institute for Biomedical Problems focussed on finding out the physiological and psychological tolls by selecting six candidates to spend 520 days in a simulated spacecraft and landing module. Diego Urbina explains the personal challenge of taking part in the Mars500 experiment.
Some private company owners have gone even further. As well as making technology based on the current physical conditions, could those constraints themselves be altered? Could Mars be terraformed, or warmed, for easier human survival? Bruce Jakosky shares just what that would take – and compares these requirements with what’s actually available.
