UKIP - a 'one trick pony'?

[JBR]

I have the answer. Let them all in.

Then we all emigrate to Africa. With its climate and excellent soil, with our expertise and work ethic, it could become a paradise.

 

[Micilin]

, to the automatic 'this person is an immigrant, therefore bad' ,

But that's just the problem. We know nothing about these people, and they are often devious enough to destroy their papers. You can't run a sensible immigration system on letting completely unknown quantaties in, whose only qualifications for entry are that they are rich enough to pay traffikers and fit enough to survive the journey. That is just asking for huge problems for host populations and society in general - as is being played out all over Europe now.

So, how many of the 1.2 billion would you admit from Africa alone? When would you call a halt - after 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 per cent? Are you saying that there should be zero controls over numbers? If you advocate letting some in, surely you advocate letting all in? Please let me know what numbers you would admit, which you would disappoint? Or do we just keep admitting until life here becomes unsustainable? I'm keen to know.

Why do you think advocating some in means letting all in? This looks like an example of an extremist view of such issues (extreme in the sense of seeing only the extreme opposites as options, not 'extremist' in terms of violence etc)

I'll have a think about numbers, although I do think your 1.2 billion from Africa is a bit of a red herring as I'm sure some of them would like to stay where they are!

My main concern in most of these debates is the assumption that an individual is pre- judged based on being part of a wider group.

That holds whether 4 or 400,000 people are part of that group - I'd rather form an opinion of an individual based on how that individual behaves.

We agree that some immigrants are motivated by the same things as some of our emigrants , motivations that we would see as positives eg better work, get rich , settle somewhere

We disagree on the likelihood of this being the main motivation for immigrants as rule, but I'm not sure where we can find anything to back up either assumption, beyond opinion - do you?

 

[Norcon]

Over 200,000 roma gypos now reside in the uk who want to do little more than sponge off the welfare state and live off a life of crime.
That's a 150,000 increase in about 5 years.

People who support this madness should be forced to pay higher taxes to look after them.

 

[Micilin]

Over 200,000 roma gypos now reside in the uk who want to do little more than sponge off the welfare state and live off a life of crime.
That's a 150,000 increase in about 5 years.

People who support this madness should be forced to pay higher taxes to look after them.

I'm not sure you always think these posts through.

In the light of your Pro Jewish sentiments ( which I am not at all criticising) does it read anything at all like those who took the next step to eradicating such people in the 30s and 40s? If you add Jewish people in there the message is almost indistinguishable.

 

[Norcon]

You're starting to post like reindeer. A load of tosh.

 

[Micilin]

You're starting to post like reindeer. A load of tosh.

By which you mean your post is not at all like the anti Roma propaganda of the period?

Yes or no will do, it will cut down on the tosh.

Although you sometimes last four or five posts , try and give this one a go

 

[Norcon]

I've just put you on ignore mic.

Now get your plastering tools out.

 

[Micilin]

I've just put you on ignore mic.

Now get your plastering tools out.

It's a bit dark even for me......not done a night shift since the mid 90s!

You quit a bit quicker than usual, but never mind, if I am on ignore you can enjoy the rest of your evening.

 

[Whitespirit66]

People who support this madness should be forced to pay higher taxes to look after them.

Exactly. I've always thought this. There should be a special, opt-in, opt-out hand-wringer super-tax code. Those that want to write a blank cheque on the tax payer should be the tax payers that actually pay for this stupidity.

Let the economic migrants, sorry, silly me - 'asylum seekers' be supported by the idealogically gullible, and make sure that asylum seeker reception centres are set up in areas where the chattering classes live.

Milicin - would you be happy to pay higher taxes to support your pc principles? Simple yes/no answer please - no inconclusive 8 paragraph diversion please.

 

[Whitespirit66]

I have the answer. Let them all in.

Then we all emigrate to Africa. With its climate and excellent soil, with our expertise and work ethic, it could become a paradise.

Good idea - but fatally flawed.

When the white man makes there like here, and the black man makes here like there - it follows that the black man will want to get back to there ASAP.

 

[Micilin]

People who support this madness should be forced to pay higher taxes to look after them.

Exactly. I've always thought this. There should be a special, opt-in, opt-out hand-wringer super-tax code. Those that want to write a blank cheque on the tax payer should be the tax payers that actually pay for this stupidity.

Let the economic migrants, sorry, silly me - 'asylum seekers' be supported by the idealogically gullible, and make sure that asylum seeker reception centres are set up in areas where the chattering classes live.

Milicin - would you be happy to pay higher taxes to support your pc principles? Simple yes/no answer please - no inconclusive 8 paragraph diversion please.

I don't see it as PC, but yes , with hypothecation and pro rata rates on corporations etc.

Why are you confusing Economic migrants with asylum seekers?

I can do more than eight paragraphs, of course, but I genuinely find it funny that you think I usually divert rather than address a question!

 

[Micilin]

Have a look at this 'rich list' .

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/times-rich-list-number-billionaires-3561098

About half of the country's richest people are 'foreign' .

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britains-10-richest-people-revealed-1438579

Who is subsidising these?

This issue is a bit more complex than the extreme view of migrants being freeloaders.

 

[RNReindeer]

Let the economic migrants, sorry, silly me - 'asylum seekers' be supported by the idealogically gullible, and make sure that asylum seeker reception centres are set up in areas where the chattering classes live.

Like micilin, I'm astonished at your confusion between economic migrants and asylum seekers.
Just to set the ground definitions:
Economic migrant - a person who travels from one country or area to another in order to improve their standard of living.

Asylum seeker - a person who has left their home country as a political (or religious) refugee and is seeking asylum in another.


The economic migrant makes a choice in an attempt to improve their life. There is only free movement in the EU, without the promise of work and the award of visas, etc. All other non-EU migrants, without work, visas or financial support, are considered undesirables and placed under strict control before deportation.
So the suggestion, or even assumption that the whole population of another continent has free access to UK is fallacious and intentionally conflagrational.
Now, if the system of control and deportation is not fit for pupose, it does not mean that there is automatic free access for all. It's the system that is boken.

Asylum seekers flee their persecutors and without the ability to escape and relocate they would probably end up dead or a lifetime of impisonment.
Are you suggesting that UK, or any country, is wrong to accept those asylum seekers?

 

[Norcon]

People who support this madness should be forced to pay higher taxes to look after them.

Exactly. I've always thought this. There should be a special, opt-in, opt-out hand-wringer super-tax code. Those that want to write a blank cheque on the tax payer should be the tax payers that actually pay for this stupidity.

Let the economic migrants, sorry, silly me - 'asylum seekers' be supported by the idealogically gullible, and make sure that asylum seeker reception centres are set up in areas where the chattering classes live.

Milicin - would you be happy to pay higher taxes to support your pc principles? Simple yes/no answer please - no inconclusive 8 paragraph diversion please.

I don't see it as PC, but yes , with hypothecation and pro rata rates on corporations etc.

Why are you confusing Economic migrants with asylum seekers?

I can do more than eight paragraphs, of course, but I genuinely find it funny that you think I usually divert rather than address a question!

Their both the same. freeloaders. Migration watch uk puts them in the same boat
You want them here so you pay for them. And if they happen to bring any benefit to the country you can have your share dividend bonus also.

Why is it if the dictatorship of the eu took Africa into the eu, you left wing libertards would start defending the rights of the inhabitants of that continent to come here?

 

[Micilin]

People who support this madness should be forced to pay higher taxes to look after them.

Exactly. I've always thought this. There should be a special, opt-in, opt-out hand-wringer super-tax code. Those that want to write a blank cheque on the tax payer should be the tax payers that actually pay for this stupidity.

Let the economic migrants, sorry, silly me - 'asylum seekers' be supported by the idealogically gullible, and make sure that asylum seeker reception centres are set up in areas where the chattering classes live.

Milicin - would you be happy to pay higher taxes to support your pc principles? Simple yes/no answer please - no inconclusive 8 paragraph diversion please.

I don't see it as PC, but yes , with hypothecation and pro rata rates on corporations etc.

Why are you confusing Economic migrants with asylum seekers?

I can do more than eight paragraphs, of course, but I genuinely find it funny that you think I usually divert rather than address a question!

Their both the same. freeloaders. Migration watch uk puts them in the same boat
You want them here so you pay for them. And if they happen to bring any benefit to the country you can have your share dividend bonus also.

But I do already - thats how the economy works.

(BTW your Ignore button appears to be broken )