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[joe-90]

MLK was a complete fake.

 

[joe-90]

Everyone needs a moral compass re-set from time to time.

We are taught, nurtured and encouraged to behave from the moment we are born. We then go on to follow other peoples' example throughout adulthood, whether that be parents, friends or colleagues.

Some written scriptures are there to encourage a certain behavior that is both moral and just.

However, it is easy for anyone to take anything out of context and interpret things as they wish. Like the teachings of the Quran for example. Fanatical Muslims are interpreting the word 'Jihad' for the sake of violence.

If the Earth was to re-start next week with zero religion there would still be wars.

Anyone who thinks people fight with each other because of religion is misguided. Wars are fought over territory. Religious leanings are there to give names to each side and to mark the territorial boundaries, especially relevant in the Middle East.

Oddly enough, one of Christianitys most spouted phrases is 'love thy neighbour'.

We don't get our morals from religion. You only need to look at the Old Testament to see how evil it is.
The bible is all about jealousy, retribution, and that's just how god acts.. it's constantly mentioning stoning, burning and using swords..

No, our morals seems to evolve over time and moreso with better communications, but based on many things like a charismatic or strong leader.

Take slavery, or more recently racism towards blacks (negros). The world has changed unbelieveably over the last 50 years, with the help of people like M L King etc. Or womens' rights, with the help of the suffragettes...
And interestingly gay marriage etc

In all cases, not a religious leader in sight, nor a scripture which has help us accept gay marriage - au contraire !!

You grew up in a Christian country with Christian morals. If you'd grown up in Yemen you'd have an 8 year old wife, and you'd bow to Mecca day and night. You are a CHRISTIAN. Get over it and fight the good fight against Islam.

 

[Norcon]

Sombrero wrote

We don't get our morals from religion.

Well atheism doesn't teach any so where did you get yours?
Down the local pub or strip joint thats where.

You have no instituitons to teach the young.
Its no wonder the west is breaking down. Islam will rule the world.

 

[Sombrero]

You grew up in a Christian country with Christian morals. If you'd grown up in Yemen you'd have an 8 year old wife, and you'd bow to Mecca day and night. You are a CHRISTIAN. Get over it and fight the good fight against Islam.

Joe, even for you, the way you keep repeating this is weird!

It's a shame you can't read and absorb others' comments, rethink and then resubmit your argument, because you could help make this all a bit more interesting - yet you just keep ranting, which is boring Joe.

Historically, this may be a Christian country, however, it's also a great democracy and a place that allows lots of freedom of choice in what you think. So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want... plus, Christian values have faded, so people don't pray or go to church, and I'm from that era.. I was christianed, but that's it.. hence why I've grabbed the atheist mantle - backed up with science, I sit back and shake m head at religious types, and wonder what's wrong witih them !!

 

[Norcon]

So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want

And look at the mess its left.

 

[Sombrero]

Sombrero wrote

We don't get our morals from religion.

Well atheism doesn't teach any so where did you get yours?
Down the local pub or strip joint thats where.

You have no instituitons to teach the young.
Its no wonder the west is breaking down. Islam will rule the world.

Atheism isn't a "thing", it's a lack of a "thing"....!
And you should read my posts, to save me having to re-type it.

Society evolves in all ways including moralistically. Mainly due to the actions/pain/suffering/realisation etc of others.

We've realised in the last century, or so, that women are equally as intelligent etc, and they should be able to vote..have equal pay etc.... that's not come from any religion, but a maturing of society's values.

 

[joe-90]

You grew up in a Christian country with Christian morals. If you'd grown up in Yemen you'd have an 8 year old wife, and you'd bow to Mecca day and night. You are a CHRISTIAN. Get over it and fight the good fight against Islam.

Joe, even for you, the way you keep repeating this is weird!

It's a shame you can't read and absorb others' comments, rethink and then resubmit your argument, because you could help make this all a bit more interesting - yet you just keep ranting, which is boring Joe.

Historically, this may be a Christian country, however, it's also a great democracy and a place that allows lots of freedom of choice in what you think. So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want... plus, Christian values have faded, so people don't pray or go to church, and I'm from that era.. I was christianed, but that's it.. hence why I've grabbed the atheist mantle - backed up with science, I sit back and shake m head at religious types, and wonder what's wrong witih them !!

Would you be saying that if you were born a Muslim? Nope. You are a christian playing at being a dopey atheist with money as your god. It's all ended in tears. We knew it would,

 

[Sombrero]

So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want

And look at the mess its left.

You need a dictator, not an informed discussion... go and read your babble (sorry bible) Norcon

 

[Sombrero]

You grew up in a Christian country with Christian morals. If you'd grown up in Yemen you'd have an 8 year old wife, and you'd bow to Mecca day and night. You are a CHRISTIAN. Get over it and fight the good fight against Islam.

Joe, even for you, the way you keep repeating this is weird!

It's a shame you can't read and absorb others' comments, rethink and then resubmit your argument, because you could help make this all a bit more interesting - yet you just keep ranting, which is boring Joe.

Historically, this may be a Christian country, however, it's also a great democracy and a place that allows lots of freedom of choice in what you think. So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want... plus, Christian values have faded, so people don't pray or go to church, and I'm from that era.. I was christianed, but that's it.. hence why I've grabbed the atheist mantle - backed up with science, I sit back and shake m head at religious types, and wonder what's wrong witih them !!

Would you be saying that if you were born a Muslim? Nope. You are a christian playing at being a dopey atheist with money as your god. It's all ended in tears. We knew it would,

Explain what you mean ...

 

[Norcon]

So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want

And look at the mess its left.

You need a dictator, not an informed discussion... go and read your babble (sorry bible) Norcon

Inform me then about what good atheism does. (he won't)

 

[LastMagicBean]

The demise of education and discipline is the downfall of social decency. F*ck all to do with not believing in God.

The christian do-gooders with the turn the other cheek, love all mankind, nonsense are the ones that sold us out, not the atheists.

Islamic global domination will happen because it's only the atheists that are fighting their ultimate goal. The Christian bible bashers welcome them.

Edited: First line for clarity.

 

[Norcon]

lmb wrote

Education and discipline is the downfall of social decency

Complete tosh.

because it's only the atheists that are fighting their ultimate goal

What fighting have you done so far?

The Christian bible bashers welcome them.

Do they welcome them in Syria?

 

[Sombrero]

So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want

And look at the mess its left.

You need a dictator, not an informed discussion... go and read your babble (sorry bible) Norcon

Inform me then about what good atheism does. (he won't)

Atheists don't believe in a bloke living on a cloud who says he loves you, but will burn you forever if you look at another god.

Nor does it make me fight with other atheists who don't believe in a different god.

Nor does it make me throw acid at people, nor do I make my atheist wife have to walk around in a pillar box.

I could go on fow a week Norcon(err Joe!)..

 

[Sombrero]

Norcon, tell me how your god has improved our lives, and especially how it's any better than the other 4000 gods out there.. (he won't)..

 

[Norcon]

So for a generation or more, people have been free to believe anything they want

And look at the mess its left.

You need a dictator, not an informed discussion... go and read your babble (sorry bible) Norcon

Inform me then about what good atheism does. (he won't)

Atheists don't believe in a bloke living on a cloud who says he loves you, but will burn you forever if you look at another god.

Nor does it make me fight with other atheists who don't believe in a different god.

Nor does it make me throw acid at people, nor do I make my atheist wife have to walk around in a pillar box.

I could go on fow a week Norcon(err Joe!)..

What good does atheism do in the world?