Vive La France!

[carmanmemoranda]

Mbk. Direct.

If 2 doctors don't sign ?

 

[motorbiking]

I've been back 50 odd pages to try to find out how this argument started. I found the above which interested me and which might be helpful. What was the situation before the Act was amended in 1991?

If you click the link. You can choose the original as enacted and read it.

 

[noseall]

The Abortion Regulations 1991

These Regulations (which extend to England and Wales) are made under section 2 of the Abortion Act 1967, and replace the Abortion Regulations 1968 and the three sets of amending regulations. These Regulations make new provision to take account in particular of the amendments to the Abortion Act...

www.legislation.gov.uk

From your own link boyo.....
Subject to the provisions of this section, a person shall not be guilty of an offence under the law relating to abortion when a pregnancy is terminated by a registered medical practitioner if two registered medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith—

[F1(a)that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or

(b)that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or

(c)that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or

(d)that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.]

 

[JonathanM]

Self referral occurs before the two doctor consultation process. It means a woman can seek an abortion at various places including directly with various places that perform an abortion. It does not bypass the two doctor approval.

I was only really interested in the changes that happened in 1991 and how they made abortion easier.

 

[noseall]

But doesn’t giving an opinion and an approval mean the same thing?

No.

The doctors give their opinion. The doctors approve the abortion by signing and dating the HSA1 form.

 

[motorbiking]

Mbk. Direct.

If 2 doctors don't sign ?

Direct. Not paperwork required for the defence to be valid as long as the opinion was formed in good faith.

From your own link boyo.....
Subject to the provisions of this section, a person shall not be guilty of an offence under the law relating to abortion when a pregnancy is terminated by a registered medical practitioner if two registered medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith—

[F1(a)that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or

(b)that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or

(c)that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or

(d)that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.]

Can’t see the word approve can you?

 

[JonathanM]

If you click the link. You can choose the original as enacted and read it.

I've done my best, but I can't actually see any changes which made it easier to elect an abortion. Could you help me out by explaining a bit more what changed?

 

[motorbiking]

I was only really interested in the changes that happened in 1991 and how they made abortion easier.

The time limit was introduced and the so called socio economic criteria allowed.

that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or

 

[noseall]

Direct. Not paperwork required for the defence to be valid as long as the opinion was formed in good faith.

Can’t see the word approve can you?

Irrelevant.

The abortion is approved once the forms have been signed and dated.

Well it’s the opinion that is needed. Not the signing of any forms.

WRONG (again).
In addition, registered Medical Practitioners are legally required, under the Abortion Act 1967, as amended, to notify the Chief Medical Officer (CMO) of every abortion performed in England and Wales whether carried out in the NHS or an approved independent sector place and whether or not the woman is a UK resident. The Department of Health provides form HSA4 for this purpose.

 

[denso13]

Can’t see the word approve can you?

What if the criteria, in the act, are not met? What happens?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Direct. Not paperwork required for the defence to be valid as long as the opinion was formed in good faith.

Can’t see the word approve can you?

If they don't have that opinion ?

 

[motorbiking]

Then she finds another 2 or accepts that she does not meet the lawful exemption criteria.

Why is this so hard?

The role of the doctors is not to approve that abortion is the best course of action.

 

[JonathanM]

The time limit was introduced and the so called socio economic criteria allowed.

Surely adding a the time limit made it harder, not easier?

The socio-economic criteria seem to be in the original Act?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Then she finds another 2 or accepts that she does not meet the lawful exemption criteria.

Why is this so hard?

The role of the doctors is not to approve that abortion is the best course of action.

And if no doctors have that opinion?

Why is this so hard ?

 

[noseall]

Then she finds another 2 or accepts that she does not meet the lawful exemption criteria.

Why is this so hard?

The role of the doctors is not to approve that abortion is the best course of action.

No one is arguing these points you keep deflecting with.

A doctor is legally required (under the Abortion Act 1967) to sign off the abortion (in good faith). He does this via a HSA1 form (or others) thus approving the abortion. No approval - no abortion.