. The only difference with a shower, is it goes up the plasterboard wall, where there will be no sockets or plugs or any signs, then into the loft and back down and into the shower. So no different again. Id say the oven is alot safer to be able to tell where a cable lies then what an electric shower would be.
If the only place where the cable is 'in the wall' is where it goes upwards in vertical alignment with the cooker isolation switch then, as you say, that will be fine - that bit of cable would then be in the 'safe zone' created by the isolator. Do I take it from what you are saying that this is the only place where the cable would be buried/concealed in a wall?In fact i asked an electrician what route he would take to wire in the oven in my kitchen and he said straight up the wall and across the landing back into the CU. So i cant see how this isnt going to be within a "safe zone" Its going straight up a wall under the floor then it doesnt resurface from the flooring untill its above the cupboard where the CU lies.
We've discussed this many times before, and I think the consensus (or, a least majority view) is that an accessory only creates a safe zone in relation to cables 'connected' to it. That means that a blank plate alone is not enough - the cable must be joined (e.g. in a connector block) behind the plate to create a safe zone. Similarly, a cable cannot 'enjoy' (e.g. by just 'passing through' a backbox a safe zone created by an accessory relating to some other cable/circuit) if it is not itself 'connected within/behind the accessory. If it were not for that rule, it would be possible for someone to remove the blank plate, or the circuit/accessory relating a different circuit, and 'plaster over', leaving a cable not in a safe zone.Your correct any "accessorry would create a "safezone" whether a switch, socket even a blankplate,
I take that to mean that you have a differing opinion
... and, as I said, it makes good sense.522.6.101(v) said:.. Where the cable is connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on any surface of the wall or partition...."
Not wishing to open a new debateWe've discussed this many times before, and I think the consensus (or, a least majority view) is that an accessory only creates a safe zone in relation to cables 'connected' to it. That means that a blank plate alone is not enough - the cable must be joined (e.g. in a connector block) behind the plate to create a safe zone. Similarly, a cable cannot 'enjoy' (e.g. by just 'passing through' a backbox a safe zone created by an accessory relating to some other cable/circuit) if it is not itself 'connected within/behind the accessory. If it were not for that rule, it would be possible for someone to remove the blank plate, or the circuit/accessory relating a different circuit, and 'plaster over', leaving a cable not in a safe zone.Your correct any "accessorry would create a "safezone" whether a switch, socket even a blankplate,
Kind Regards, John
Sure - as I recently wrote to the OP...In this case I was thinking more of the OP's cable where it comes down behind the wall and out to to the oven.
... but I also added, since it is clearly an important question to which we (at least, I) am yet to be certain that we know the answer):If the only place where the cable is 'in the wall' is where it goes upwards in vertical alignment with the cooker isolation switch then, as you say, that will be fine - that bit of cable would then be in the 'safe zone' created by the isolator.
Kind Regards, JohnDo I take it from what you are saying that this is the only place where the cable would be buried/concealed in a wall?
At 10.03 am, DS said 2.5mm. Crack on Craig life is too short mate !
ds
if they were buried less than 50mm
Then that cable going up the wall would be OUT of zone, the cable down to the shower would be IN zone
Cable down to a fusebox also IN zone
If the only place where the cable is 'in the wall' is where it goes upwards in vertical alignment with the cooker isolation switch then, as you say, that will be fine - that bit of cable would then be in the 'safe zone' created by the isolator. Do I take it from what you are saying that this is the only place where the cable would be buried/concealed in a wall?
Kind Regards, John
Thanks. In that case, as I said, all is fine. I suppose that if that had been clear from the start, eric would not have made his comment about safe zones, so that a lot of the subsequent discussion/debate would not have happened.This is correctIf the only place where the cable is 'in the wall' is where it goes upwards in vertical alignment with the cooker isolation switch then, as you say, that will be fine - that bit of cable would then be in the 'safe zone' created by the isolator. Do I take it from what you are saying that this is the only place where the cable would be buried/concealed in a wall?
Any visible socket or switch creates ( so called ) "safe zones" where cables can be run. From each socket or switch there are four safe zones vertically up to the ceiling and vertically down to the floor and horizontally to the edges of the wall.I guess all the sockets in my house are out of zone then. Unless this only applies to showers
What do you mean by "signed off"?I was planning on getting it signed off by a qualified electrician who has part P after its finshed which will prove its been installed correctly and more importantly, safe.
No. You. Are. Not.Im trying to save my self money as you can probably understand and im more then competent at fitting wiring with the correct guidance.
And we have all seen people asking here who have no idea what's involved, and who have no idea about the unknown-unknowns danger.Although iv met some 'skilled tradesmen' who cant do what there paid to do.
But you aren't doing it right.i want to make sure its done right in the first place.
No, what you're asking for now is for people to do things which you are supposed to do yourself.They may have the knowledge, which is what im asking for now
Then you should be ashamed to be working outwith your competence.Im an Engineer by trade electrical and mechanical.
The main intention of these people you call trolls is to prevent those without adequate knowledge creating danger for themselves, their family and property.Don't let the trolls (professionals trying to protect the value in their profession) get you down.
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