When considering in or out:

[Doggit]

The EU probably the most corrupt institution in the world

Acutally, it's about the most inept and inefficient institution in the world; I think there are too many idiots running it for it to be really corrupt. They legitimately have their snouts in the trough, so have no need to be corrupt. But like the UK handing out money to corrupt 3rd world govenments to make themselves look benevolent to the underprovelleged masses, that's why they just seem to be corrupt.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Not having my tax used to bail out other countries

 

[Doggit]

Please refer to my earlier post, where I pointed out that we're currently sending money to 3rd world countries via the EU, and the overseas aid budget. Camerons got a lot to answer for with that vanity project, but hopefully, they'll shut down the overseas aid fiasco before we leave the EU

 

[blightymam]

Just out of interest, why is overseas aid a bad thing?

 

[Ihavenojob]

Because we need it more

 

[Doggit]

Just out of interest, why is overseas aid a bad thing?

It's not, but the necessity to spend 0.7% of GDP regardless, has caused money to thrown at any project going just to reach the target. Moneys going to Syria and the Sudan, but it's not getting to the people in need, just going into the government officials pockets.

 

[blightymam]

It's not, but the necessity to spend 0.7% of GDP regardless, has caused money to thrown at any project going just to reach the target. Moneys going to Syria and the Sudan, but it's not getting to the people in need, just going into the government officials pockets.

All the money is going to the government official's pockets? Blimey, why do we give aid then, and why isn't there a outcry? Yeah, being flippant, but for sure there are corrupt governments and sticky fingers along the way, welcome to human nature. It must be very hard to keep tabs on when in countries at war too but can we all really turn our backs on those in such need?

I believe in overseas aid, not just in war-torn countries.. I very much think that a lot of good work is done to try and make countries self-sufficient. I also believe that it creates respect for the UK.

Do we need it more? We shouldn't have homeless, we shouldn't have people struggling, certainly not, esp in such a developed country. But I also can't see why we can't help our own as well as those in a dire situation that's no fault of their own. Does it have to be us v them?

 

[Doggit]

It must be very hard to keep tabs on when in countries at war too but can we all really turn our backs on those in such need?

In the Sudan at the minute, they are charging overseas aid worker £8800 per worker to be in the country, and that alone should warn people that the governments on the take - but it doesn't. Moneys being sent to Turkey (but not to the government to support the war refugees so that they don't need to travel further, but the bleeding heart lefties still feel that the Calais migrants are in dire danger, so need to be brought over here; except the people in the camps are economic migrants, because the camps in Turkey are providing better accomodation that Calais.

We give money to Africa to provide wells, and they dig the wells up and sell the metal liners, so we go back in and put another well in. In the Sudan, the government is building roads and the goverenment buildings, but not providing food and support to the drought victims. Virtually every bit of overseas aid we give, is wasted in one way or another, and I don't think we will ever change anything in these countries. But Cameron and Clegg felt good, and felt they looked good in pushing through the 0.7% target.

 

[blightymam]

In the Sudan at the minute, they are charging overseas aid worker £8800 per worker to be in the country, and that alone should warn people that the governments on the take - but it doesn't. Moneys being sent to Turkey (but not to the government to support the war refugees so that they don't need to travel further, but the bleeding heart lefties still feel that the Calais migrants are in dire danger, so need to be brought over here; except the people in the camps are economic migrants, because the camps in Turkey are providing better accomodation that Calais.

We give money to Africa to provide wells, and they dig the wells up and sell the metal liners, so we go back in and put another well in. In the Sudan, the government is building roads and the goverenment buildings, but not providing food and support to the drought victims. Virtually every bit of overseas aid we give, is wasted in one way or another, and I don't think we will ever change anything in these countries. But Cameron and Clegg felt good, and felt they looked good in pushing through the 0.7% target.

So what's the alternative?
Sit back, not try and let people die?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

the ability to fit non ERP compliant circualting pumps

So that's it, is it.

We have to put up with every single bit of the fallout from leaving the EU so that you can install inefficient pumps.

My, what a wonderful person you are, I am so glad you are here.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Being able to use Black & red twin & earth

Oh look - a ****** who thinks that the EU made us stop using those colours.

My, what a wonderful person you are, I am so glad you are here.

 

[Doggit]

So what's the alternative?
Sit back, not try and let people die?

People die every day I'm afraid, and all we do with foreign aid, is prop up the corrupt govenments that are happy to let their people die. We feel better helping them, but we don't really achieve anything. We went into Iraq to help them overthow a corrupt regime, and ended up killing loads of civilians, and helped create ISIS, so maybe we should learn to keep our noses out of other peoples business.

Yet it's funny how we haven't done anything about Mugabee and the likes of him.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

can we all really turn our backs on those in such need?

We can, and we do, when it comes to refugees and asylum seekers.

It is one of the things that Roger928 (for example) takes pride in his country doing.

I expect he is also proud of the fact that we spend less on healthcare than the average in the rest of the EU, and yet have a first class health service with no challenges, and which has not had to start cancelling "routine" operations.

Or maybe he is proud of the way that we cut the benefits for disabled people so that we can find tax cuts for the rich and for multinational corporations?

Or perhaps he is proud of the way that we have managed to increase the number of children in absolute poverty by 500,000 since 2010?

There is just so much to be proud of about this country that I don't know where to turn.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

We went into Iraq to help them overthow a corrupt regime

Oh look - another ***** who believes the lies he is told.

 

[Doggit]

Oh look - another ***** who believes the lies he is told.

So what's your take on it BAS