When did diesel cars get complicated?

That you regard someone who believes in laws, and is critical of those who don't, as a smug, stupid tw@t says a lot about you.

I don't think you're a smug tw@t because you believe in laws or are critical of others. It's because you come over all holier than thou and immediately reach for gratuitous insults to attempt to boost your non argument. Not for the first time either. Insults I guess that someone like you wouldn't dare use if you weren't safely hidden behind your computer screen. Not very adult if you wish to be seen to be occupying the moral high ground.
 
Sponsored Links
I don't think you're a smug tw@t because you believe in laws or are critical of others. It's because you come over all holier than thou and immediately reach for gratuitous insults to attempt to boost your non argument.

"Holier than thou" is another deflection made by people who want to draw attention away from their failings. It is not a "non-argument" to point out that when you say "Only learners and old ladies driving a Honda Jazz stick to 20 now" that you're ignoring people who drive at 20 (where that's the limit) because they respect the law.

Because it really doesn't matter a flying **** how much someone refuses to accept any of the arguments in favour of 20mph limits, or refuses to believe any of the evidence supporting such limits, that does not give them the right to break the law. It just doesn't. Society doesn't, cannot, work like that.

And I've not reached for any gratuitous insults. Any criticisms I make of people are genuine and heartfelt.


Not for the first time either. Insults I guess that someone like you wouldn't dare use if you weren't safely hidden behind your computer screen. Not very adult if you wish to be seen to be occupying the moral high ground.

No, indeed not for the first time, nor for the last.

I am consistent in my firm belief that people who object to life saving anti-pollution measures because they think perpetuating pollution is a good thing, who object to 20mph speed limits in built-up areas despite the mass of evidence attesting to their benefits and their popularity because they think they should never be expected to drive at less than 30mph are, indeed, morally bankrupt. And that they become even more deplorable when they try to make out that they are some kind of hero, someone to be admired, because of their refusal to countenance anything which benefits wider society if it inconveniences them.

And I would say that to anybody's face, any time, anywhere.
 
Last edited:
That doesn't work



It's moronic to dismiss 20mph limits as "forcing vehicles to grind along in lower gears"



It's moronic to suggest that anybody driving at the posted speed limit is "holding up traffic".
You appear to have completely, or deliberately, misinterpreted my input on this subject & seem obsessed with the word moronic, even though it's use is inappropriate.

I see no point in continuing this discussion.
 
Sponsored Links
2000 rpm (or any other engine speed)
in 1st 2nd or any other gear is still 2000rpm.

Driving at 20mph at 4000rpm for example would be worse than 40mph@2000rpm. But also 30 @3000 would be worse than 20@ 2000 etc

Fuel consumption is worst when accelerating or stood still. Slowly moving traffic would therefore be less bad than stop start traffic. A supposed benefit of lower speed limits in congested areas.

Electric would be better of course
I'm not sure about that (other than the last bit, of course! ;)). It's really hard to guess what any particular engine is going to be like at a particular combination of load and RPM. Low load and high RPM, they generally run weak, low RPM and higher load, maybe a bit richer. Quite what that does to the various pollutants - NOx, CO, HC and CO2, I'm not sure. NOx is supposed to be bad at high combustion chamber temperatures - which we just shouldn't see at all in urban conditions. HC is typically bad at low RPM on "cammy" engines. All should be handled adequately by thevarious emissions control devices on newer cars, pretty much regardless of engine load and speed (within reason) in urban conditions, but maybe a bit more CO2 at higher RPM?
 
That's cutbacks for you

The thing is, properly trained and equipped traffic police (like we used to have when we had the safest roads in the world), cost money. Cameras, on the other hand, not only save money, they actually make the stuff...

We reap what we sow...
 
That doesn't work



It's moronic to dismiss 20mph limits as "forcing vehicles to grind along in lower gears"

Why? That's precisely what it DOES do. (Unless it's an EV of course). Have you ever wondered why cars have gearboxes?

It's moronic to suggest that anybody driving at the posted speed limit is "holding up traffic".

Why? That's precisely what happens. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
 
Why? That's precisely what it DOES do. (Unless it's an EV of course). Have you ever wondered why cars have gearboxes?




Why? That's precisely what happens. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

No, it doesn't.

Nobody who wants to drive at speeds in excess of the speed limits deserves an iota of consideration. As a concept, them being "held up" does not exist in any sane or moral universe. Nobody who matters is being "held up". Nobody who should be driving is being "held up".

Do you know who is being "held up"? Nobody.

Do you know what people who complain about being "held up" are proclaiming? That they are nobodys.

I know you are never going to get it.

I know you will never take on board the idea of being a law-abiding, civic minded, socially valuable member of society, or that being those things does not make you a weakling, or a "sheep", or shrink your genitals.

I know that you will never grow any morals or sense of responsibility.

And I know that you will forever try to categorise as insults and abuse expressions of genuine and fair criticism of those who think that priority should be given to their desires to drive at illegal speeds just because they want to.
 
The thing is, properly trained and equipped traffic police (like we used to have when we had the safest roads in the world), cost money. Cameras, on the other hand, not only save money, they actually make the stuff...

You could stop them making it, if you wanted.

Stick to the speed limit.

Sorted.
 
Sponsored Links
Back
Top