WHO does not rule out that virus started in a Lab

[fillyboy]

Why would hospitals inexplicably begin refusing treatment for cancer patients if they have the capacity to do so?

You are making less and less sense as this thread goes on boyo.

Without wishing to get involved in any conspiracy theories, it's more than well documented that cancer care/treatment/diagnosis has been almost non existent for the last 12 months. The purpose being to 'protect' the NHS, I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. It has happened, and it's happened on the basis of 'protecting' the NHS so they are better armed to treat Covid patients, who may or may not outnumber other patients requiring treatment.

I suspect none of us will ever know the true extent of deaths caused by this.

 

[Notch7]

Without wishing to get involved in any conspiracy theories, it's more than well documented that cancer care/treatment/diagnosis has been almost non existent for the last 12 months. The purpose being to 'protect' the NHS, I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. It has happened, and it's happened on the basis of 'protecting' the NHS so they are better armed to treat Covid patients, who may or may not outnumber other patients requiring treatment.

I suspect none of us will ever know the true extent of deaths caused by this.

I would say the cause is multi faceted:

1 Hospitals have had to restructure since March 2020, having to split each hospital into 2.

2 infection control, slows down work. For example CT scans, between each patient, 20 mins of cleaning is done.

3 huge number of staff off self isolating.

4 NHS has a huge shortage of nurses

5 GP surgeries are private businesses and shut rather too readily (I've no evidence, just what I read on here really, so apols if there's proof out there that this isn't true)

 

[fillyboy]

I would say the cause is multi faceted:

So would I

3 huge number of staff off self isolating.

4 NHS has a huge shortage of nurses

#4 see #3

5 GP surgeries are private businesses and shut rather too readily (I've no evidence, just what I read on here really, so apols if there's proof out there that this isn't true)

Not many jobs where you can run a private business and still pick up an NHS pension. Sweet.

 

[IT Minion]

Without wishing to get involved in any conspiracy theories, it's more than well documented that cancer care/treatment/diagnosis has been almost non existent for the last 12 months. The purpose being to 'protect' the NHS, I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. It has happened, and it's happened on the basis of 'protecting' the NHS so they are better armed to treat Covid patients, who may or may not outnumber other patients requiring treatment.

I suspect none of us will ever know the true extent of deaths caused by this.

Excess mortality will give us a good guess.

I don't like the 'protect the NHS' line, but it is more catchy than 'theres only so much care to go around, let's not allow the rate of infection get so high that we have to spend it on Covid-19 rather than Cancer'. Which is ironic given we didn't protect the NHS and so now we're complaining about the inability to diagnose or treat cancer.

 

[Dangee]

Right, not my opinion but....... interesting.
On LBC last Saturday afternoon an American virologist was on being interviewed saying he was certain state funded (Chinese, British & American) experiments were being carried out at theWuhan lab on viruses that could potentially be harmful to humans in the future.
Testing on mice, they were rapidly accelerating the evolution of possible dangerous viruses to see how they evolved but unfortunately;FOR THE WHOLE WORLD. it accidentally it got out blah blah blah...
Doesn’t sound like the strangest explanation but who knows......

 

[John the plumber]

well you refuse to give the name of the hospital.

Sooey claimed the Royal Liverpool was empty, but I found reliable sources (clinical director for example) who said the hospital was struggling and staff under huge pressure

Will you stop with all your lies regarding half your family it seems now work in hospitals.
Every time someone mentions they know someone who works in a hospital and they have said they are not busy they get told they are lying yet when you say it we have to believe you.
Are you aware of this document so stop with the lies because I can tell you the exact number of Covid patients in any hospital in the uk on any given day.
That document runs from the start of august to near then end of jan as that is when I got it.
I can easily get another one for any given day.
I can scroll down that page and see every single hospital and care home in the uk.
So rather than your lies about your mates mums dogs brothers step son I’ll use facts.

 

[noseall]

I’ll use facts.

Start when ever you like.

 

[John the plumber]

Start when ever you like.

I always have unlike you few and for the record I’m not your boyo

 

[John the plumber]

I always have unlike you few and for the record I’m not your boyo

Also your barrage of proof you have provided is very interesting,oh wait your haven’t provided any you have just followed what everyone else is saying.

 

[mattylad]

That document is worthless unless an actual link to where it can be obtained is posted.
Otherwise it could just be something you knocked up?

 

[IT Minion]

That document is worthless unless an actual link to where it can be obtained is posted.
Otherwise it could just be something you knocked up?

It's a genuine document, probably. There's nothing clever about it, the NHS publicise this stuff all the time.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

The closest match I've found to Jonny's is the Covid-19 daily admissions sheet

Jonny quoted the earliest days in the spreadsheet, when Covid-19 cases were very low. There were 800 or so admitted at that point.

On the first of January there were 3,010 admissions and 22,534 in hospital, 1,940 on ventilation. Then it got much worse.

But the valiant truth seeker doesn't want you to see the raw data, or wants to pretend it take special merit to get it, because otherwise he'd have to admit that many hospitals really are overwhelmed.

 

[John the plumber]

It's a genuine document, probably. There's nothing clever about it, the NHS publicise this stuff all the time.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

The closest match I've found to Jonny's is the Covid-19 daily admissions sheet

Jonny quoted the earliest days in the spreadsheet, when Covid-19 cases were very low. There were 800 or so admitted at that point.

On the first of January there were 3,010 admissions and 22,534 in hospital, 1,940 on ventilation. Then it got much worse.

But the valiant truth seeker doesn't want you to see the raw data, or wants to pretend it take special merit to get it, because otherwise he'd have to admit that many hospitals really are overwhelmed.

I can pull up any day you want up till the end of jan 2021 no problem.
Give me a date and I can tell you the exact number
Hospitals aren’t overwhelmed.
Plus there were indeed 3,010 admissions but I think you will find that number has/is dropping.
As of 24th jan 2021 that number was 2,824.
How is August 2020 the earliest days lol
That was only 4 months or so ago.
Also to put it into perspective your number of 22,354 isn’t anywhere near considered as extortionate numbers for hospital numbers in the uk at any given point.

 

[IT Minion]

I can pull up any day you want up till the end of jan 2021 no problem.
Give me a date and I can tell you the exact number

Why on earth would i ask you to pull up data when i can do it myself.

Let's look at the Royal Liverpool Hospital. It's part of the Liverpool University hospitals trust, Code REM.

They seem to have hit their Covid peak around November 1st when they had 1,322 beds occupied of which 464 were with Covid patients. 35% of the hospital full with Covid cases. One third of people admitted is pretty bad.

 

[durhamplumber]

Without wishing to get involved in any conspiracy theories, it's more than well documented that cancer care/treatment/diagnosis has been almost non existent for the last 12 months.

My Auntie was diagnosed with Cancer less than a month ago.Had all the biopsies, scans etc..Undergoing treatment now.Bodd has been having cancer treatment .Hope he is ok.not been on much.

 

[John the plumber]

Why on earth would i ask you to pull up data when i can do it myself.

Let's look at the Royal Liverpool Hospital. It's part of the Liverpool University hospitals trust, Code REM.

They seem to have hit their Covid peak around November 1st when they had 1,322 beds occupied of which 464 were with Covid patients. 35% of the hospital full with Covid cases. One third of people admitted is pretty bad.

I thought I made up that data myself according to mattylad and I thought I thought I was special by having access to the data when I admitted in a previous post it’s readily available.
Mind you as you said the earliest part of Covid was August 2020 I would rather speak with someone who is abit more knowledgeable.
Yep your correct all this Covid malarkey only started 4 months ago.