Covid Leak

[Ivor Windybottom]

What do you want to know? I am simply calling out myths which have somehow become facts for some people.

Of course you can believe what you like, but don't pretend it has any basis in fact. I'm genuinely happy to be corrected, but the usual response is "it has already been discussed" or "google it yourself".

I've got no idea, I'm pretty sure it happened, was reported in the media at the time but don't care sufficiently about your opinion to go on an academic study to find data that may or may not still exist.

If you're not convinced then that's absolutely fine by me. Happy to leave it there.

 

[JP_]

There were instructions to coroners that if anything looked vaguely like covid then they should record it among the causes of death.

Also deaths within 28 days of a test were recorded as a covid death statistic. If you had a positive test then got hit by a bus 28 days later than you would be recorded as a covid death.

There was definitely an intention to make the figures as high as possible, to the point that they're now utterly meaningless.

Perhaps the intentions were good - they wanted to scare the sheeple into doing as they were told, to keep everyone safe. Or perhaps they just wanted to increase drug company profits by creating a clamour for vaccines. We'll probably never know why things happened, but the lockdowns were definitely not justified even based upon the evidence that was available at the time.

Deja vu ... we had the discussion before.

Death certificates don't have to cite one cause of death. If you have a heart attack after a long struggle with T2 diabetes, both can be mentioned on the certificate, along with any of chronic conditions, such as failing liver or COPD. Same with covid.

No doctors claimed that covid has been the sole cause of people dying when covid is mentioned on the death certificate. It is the press and conspiracy sites that are saying this - yes, they are lying to win more readers.

In a pandemic, the only way to track how bad it is it to gather statistics, and death certificates allow this on a global scale.

It's all very simple, but some people chose to twist the facts for their own personal agenda or political gain.

 

[motorbiking]

UK Covid reporting instructions did change, which is What Ivor is alluding to.

Changes to the way we report on COVID-19 deaths – UK Health Security Agency

The official blog of the UK Health Security Agency, providing expert insight on the organisation's work and all aspects of health security

ukhsa.blog.gov.uk

 

[Justin Passing]

UK Covid reporting instructions did change, which is What Ivor is alluding to.

Changes to the way we report on COVID-19 deaths – UK Health Security Agency

The official blog of the UK Health Security Agency, providing expert insight on the organisation's work and all aspects of health security

ukhsa.blog.gov.uk

That one's 2023, but it refers to the earlier, 2020

https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/

if you read down to where a paragraph starts "Does this mean" you get the answer.

With hindsight many things could have been better, but the overarching point is that nobody knew how bad it might be.
Remember those Chinese hosptals put up in a matter of days? We copied, but luckily didn't need them. There could have been rows of dying people, with inadequate nursing. We didn't know.

My brother and SIL have just had covid for the first time. Lasted 3-4 days , quite unpleasant.

 

[gas112]

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My brother and SIL have just had covid for the first time. Lasted 3-4 days , quite unpleasant.

or its the first time they actually had symptoms

 

[Odds]

...Simone Gold is living in a $3.6 million mansion in Naples, Fla., allegedly purchased with AFLD funds.

The founder of AFLD served 48 days of a 60-day sentence for participating in the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Last summer, Gold received a medical license from Florida and subsequently launched a new “medical freedom” online practice called GoldCare, according to a review of Florida business records. GoldCare offers memberships for $200 per month. “Don’t stay with a doctor that restricted access to life-saving medication because Fauci told them to,” promotional materials on its website say. A lifetime membership to the practice runs $20,000. None of these fees include doctor visits, for which the service charges $400 per hour in pre-paid tokens.

Since last fall, Gold has been embroiled in a legal battle over control of AFLD with the group’s other leaders, who have accused her of lavishly spending AFLD funds and using its money and employees to set up her new practice. According to a lawsuit filed by AFLD’s board, Gold used the group’s funds for personal expenses at a rate of nearly $50,000 a month, including $12,000 per month for a personal security officer, $5,600 per month for a housekeeper, Peloton exercise bikes, and the purchases of a Mercedes Benz Sprinter van, a Hyundai Genesis, and a GMC Denali. Gold maintains that the expenses were incurred for company purposes.

Gold isn’t the only ivermectin-promoting doctor who seems to be financially thriving. Dr. Pierre Kory, who leads the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), a network of doctors promoting alternative COVID treatments, launched an “advanced COVID-19 care center” for patients with Long COVID. It charges $1,650 for an appointment with him for “post-vaccine syndrome” or other issues. Another FLCCC doctor, Fred Wagshul, has continued to sell ivermectin consultations for $211 apiece.

Full article @Time.Magazine.com

 

[gas112]

Pentagon Debunked Fauci's Anti-Lab-Leak 'Proximal Origin' Paper in May 2020, Leaked Document Reveals – The Daily Sceptic

A leaked document reveals that the Pentagon debunked Anthony Fauci's anti-lab-leak 'Proximal Origin' paper in May 2020, showing the Government knew a lab leak was possible.

dailysceptic.org

 

[jeds]

Hang on, what?, covid was real then. Wasn't just made up by Boris and his mates so they could sell a load of dodgy masks?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Hang on, what?, covid was real then. Wasn't just made up by Boris and his mates so they could sell a load of dodgy masks?

A feeble attempt at a strawman argument there.

Lots of people have some fundamental questions about the lockdown and vaccination strategy, which probably wasn't justified even on the basis of the evidence that was available at that time. Dissenting voices or even slightly different proposals from very well qualified people were either ignored, silenced or rubbished, e.g. The Great Barrington proposal, which was thrown out by Hand-Cock stating that it wasn't "Great". Just this sentiment proved his ignorance, Great Barrington was the place at which the scientists who wrote it met, nobody was stating that anything was "Great".

There's a whole world of intelligent debate somewhere between the idea that you should always do as you're told and not question authority, and those that claim that covid was fake and/or was caused by 5G masts.

Sadly this sort of dumbing down of intelligent debate plays right into the hands of those who intend to mislead.

 

[Justin Passing]

A feeble attempt at a strawman argument there.

Lots of people have some fundamental questions about the lockdown and vaccination strategy, which probably wasn't justified even on the basis of the evidence that was available at that time. Dissenting voices or even slightly different proposals from very well qualified people were either ignored, silenced or rubbished, e.g. The Great Barrington proposal, which was thrown out by Hand-Cock stating that it wasn't "Great". Just this sentiment proved his ignorance, Great Barrington was the place at which the scientists who wrote it met, nobody was stating that anything was "Great".

There's a whole world of intelligent debate somewhere between the idea that you should always do as you're told and not question authority, and those that claim that covid was fake and/or was caused by 5G masts.

Sadly this sort of dumbing down of intelligent debate plays right into the hands of those who intend to mislead.

Barrington - the opinion of three men based on not much - was thrown out by Whitty & Co and the rest of the world. How many more casualties would it have caused? We don't know, I think is the only answer. It's not just Hancock then, it's everyone still.
Some countries let things go, because they had no choice. Nobody much "managed" things differently. Some of the US states varied and they had higher casualty numbers back then, but I haven't seen final outcomes reported.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

It was signed by lots of sensible intelligent people.

Targeting by age was the obvious sensible answer. Obviously it wouldn't have been perfect, but then neither were the blanket lockdowns. The issue was that it would have upset the pensioners, they would only be happy if everyone else suffered for their benefit.

Covid was already known to be an inconvenience rather than harmful to almost everyone under 70.

The blanket lockdown pretty much bankrupted the country, and created the NHS backlog that is still causing vast numbers of deaths and suffering.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It was signed by lots of sensible intelligent people.

Targeting by age was the obvious sensible answer. Obviously it wouldn't have been perfect, but then neither were the blanket lockdowns. The issue was that it would have upset the pensioners, they would only be happy if everyone else suffered for their benefit.

Covid was already known to be an inconvenience rather than harmful to almost everyone under 70.

The blanket lockdown pretty much bankrupted the country, and created the NHS backlog that is still causing vast numbers of deaths and suffering.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

At the initial stages it was an unknown issue with no idea how to treat or control. The whole idea was to create time, which it did.

Right or wrong is a whole different issue. But learning to live with it via vaccines made a big difference.

 

[Justin Passing]

Grauniad:

and that was before different experts, slated it.

 

[gant]

A fair few not learning to live with it as they're six foot under having not being able to get treated for unrelated health issues.
Plus those who are suffering the aftermath of having a jab to save their granny from the governments ' nudge' department.
Furlough and that dining out ****** that Rishi seems to have distanced himself from.
Don't have to be mystic meg to see what would happen if you enact those circumstances.

 

[noseall]

My brother and SIL have just had covid for the first time. Lasted 3-4 days , quite unpleasant.

My golfing buddy has just recovered from a similar horrendous bout too.