Who is attending Church on Easter Sunday?

[ellal]

That pretty much sums it up.

And the way the NHS and health insurance is going

 

[Justin Passing]

Justin Passing said:
Disabled people can be useful by just about any measure

That was my point.
I don't believe that a human beings should have their value based on their use to others.

I said COULD not SHOULD. In italics - learn to read.
And you go on to bring up the disabled as people of no use to others so you can try to form an argument you now say is invalid.

Are you a bit stupid?
If you can't manage to answer that, I can help you with it.

 

[Odds]

Yes, there is no proof for the supernatural. It's obviously a man made concept, and an evil one at that.

Religion is not evil in its self. The evil comes from the ways in which scripture is interpreted and twisted to suit a narrative that doesn't serve the greater good and any fool can cherry pick the terrible things that happened in the Old Testament to 'prove' their point while carefully omitting other books of the Book like the Parables; the Psalms; the Song of Solomon.

Religious art, literature, poetry; music - the early scientific experiments by monks such as Roger Bacon, the Scholastic tradition of philosophy
All these things may have happened without religion but they did happen because of it and since Darwin turned the world upside down every attempt to live in a world without religion has failed - why?

 

[Notch7]

every attempt to live in a world without religion has failed

I’m not sure what that means.

Do you mean trying to ban it has failed? -that’s about freedom as much as religion

 

[Odds]

Government restrictions on religion take many forms around the world. Particularly restrictive governments often limit religious expression by banning certain groups – including entire faiths, social movements or political organizations that have ties to religion. In fact, 41 countries – or around a fifth (21%) of those evaluated – banned at least one religion-related group in 2019, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of laws and policies in effect in 198 countries in 2019, the most recent year for which comprehensive data is available. Jehovah’s Witnesses and Baha’is were among the most frequently banned groups.

The Middle East-North Africa region had the highest share of countries (55%, or 11 out of 20 countries in the region) with bans on religion-related groups in 2019. Asia and the Pacific – the largest region in the study, with 50 nations – had the greatest number of countries with bans (17 out of 50 countries, or 34% of the region). Sub-Saharan Africa had eight countries with bans (representing about 17% of the 48 states in the region), Europe had three (or about 7% of the region’s 45 countries) and the Americas had two nations with such bans in place (representing about 6% of the region’s 35 countries).

Pew Research.org

 

[denso13]

any fool can cherry pick the terrible things that happened in the Old Testament to 'prove' their point

And others can pick the goody goody bits. Do you not think an all knowing supernatural being could have done a better job of it? He is supposedly perfect but left so many loopholes that people will always argue over the meaning.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And others can pick the goody goody bits. Do you not think an all knowing supernatural being could have done a better job of it? He is supposedly perfect but left so many loopholes that people will always argue over the meaning.

Which supernatural being though

I get so confused over which 1 to believe in

 

[Odds]

And others can pick the goody goody bits. Do you not think an all knowing supernatural being could have done a better job of it? He is supposedly perfect but left so many loopholes that people will always argue over the meaning.

Absolutely - something for everyone in the bible.
I'd consider taking the Bible as my book of choice for Desert Island isolation - (but probably opt for lord of the Rings.)

I don't think an all-knowing God would design humans so poorly - waterworks and sewage next to the Funpark where rides are free all day. Bad planning. But we have to look at the way religion was changed by the published work of Darwin and subsequent developments in science and philosophy. People either take it literally or as allegory but dismissing the whole concept as 'evil' is just lazy.

 

[denso13]

Yea

I get so confused over which 1 to believe in

Yea, and that, mostly, depends where you are born, or live, not on any "truths".

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yea

Yea, and that, mostly, depends where you are born, or live, not on any "truths".

And what is therefore forced on you.

I really don't understand if there is a god why religions have been at war since it was invented (or discovered if you prefer)

And anyway, you can disbelieve as much as you want and be a bad person all of your life. As long as you repent at the last moment. What's that all about.

 

[denso13]

People either take it literally or as allegory but dismissing the whole concept as 'evil' is just lazy.

It promotes, even mandates, things which most people find abhorrent, I would argue. I'd say it's lazy just to say, "well, yea, but we don't follow the bad bits anymore".

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It promotes, even mandates, things which most people find abhorrent, I would argue. I'd say it's lazy just to say, "well, yea, but we don't follow the bad bits anymore".

Or you pick and choose? Doesn't that defeat the object ?

 

[Odds]

I'd say it's lazy just to say, "well, yea, but we don't follow the bad bits anymore".

Is that a bad thing?

Bertie Russell has a lot to answer for...

 

[Brigadier]

but left so many loopholes that people will always argue over the meaning.

A trait enthusiastically adopted by the plumbing trolls on here

 

[SirGalahad]

Nonsense. Obviously it is completely different from other beliefs. I believe that if yo let go of something it will fall to the ground. If you don't see that, you're being stupid, on purpose. Other beliefs have some evidence.
You're talking shyte. And you can't defend it by saying believing shyte is a good thing because lots of people do the same.

Do you like arguing against yourself?

Belief by it's vey nature is:

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

A belief by defintion does not need to be backed by evidence.

You believe in shyte yourself - what is the pound backed by? What is fiat money?

Your argument that you can dismiss one person belief in christianty because it is not based on facts yet happily believe in a fiat money system which requires a belief in bank created credit out of thin air.

So for you it's a case of my beliefs are good but others beliefs are bad - hypocrisy 101.