Zionism is a belief held by Zionists

[T&G]

If racism is an ideology practised by racists. It must be acceptable to criticise the ideology of racists, by referring to those racists, even naming them.
It would be nonsensical to argue that they are a protected group, protected from fair criticism.
Similarly, If Zionism is the belief held by Zionists, And Zionism is a racist ideology, intent on ethnic cleansing and one wants to criticise Zionism, it must be equally acceptable to argue that the Zionists, hold and practice a racist ideology.
To award them some protected status based on their membership of some theoretical group, with a racist ambition to cleanse the Levant of Arabs, and shut down any criticism of that ambition is to actively protect a racist organisation.
It would be like awarding protection to the KKK, a group whose membership is limited to only white people believing the ideology of white supremacy.

Or has the world gone stark raving mad in its protection of an ideology openly committed to racism and ethnic cleansing?

 

[JohnD]

Or has the world gone stark raving mad in its protection of an ideology openly committed to racism and ethnic cleansing?

I can't speak for the world, but in the UK is is not against the law to criticise racism, apartheid and genocide, even if it is carried out by the state of Israel or the terrorists it supports.

Some people, such as motorbiking, will falsely claim that it is illegal, in an attempt to stifle discussion, but it is not true,

 

[THFC]

It is also not illegal to be a racist

 

[T&G]

Criticising a religion is perfectly acceptable.
Criticising racists is perfectly acceptable.

It would appear making slanderous lies without proof is accepted in this forum.
Making up silly alternative names for other members is allowed.

So how come I am not allowed to participate in a thread that discusses a specific religion? Especially a specific religion whose stated aim is to ethnically cleanse the Levant of Arabs?

 

[T&G]

Looking at other discussions about Israel, I see am prevented from participating in any of those discussions.

I am denied the ability to offer my opinion on the subjects of my choice. I am only allowed to participate on the subjects the forum chooses to allow.
So there is no point in my being a member of this forum.
bye bye.

 

[motorbiking]

I can't speak for the world, but in the UK is is not against the law to criticise racism, apartheid and genocide, even if it is carried out by the state of Israel or the terrorists it supports.

Some people, such as motorbiking, will falsely claim that it is illegal, in an attempt to stifle discussion, but it is not true,

More lies from the forum liar.

 

[THFC]

Looking at other discussions about Israel, I see am prevented from participating in any of those discussions.

I am denied the ability to offer my opinion on the subjects of my choice. I am only allowed to participate on the subjects the forum chooses to allow.
So there is no point in my being a member of this forum.
bye bye.

If only we could believe that you meant that Himmy, the forum would be a much better place.

 

[motorbiking]

Looking at other discussions about Israel, I see am prevented from participating in any of those discussions.

I am denied the ability to offer my opinion on the subjects of my choice. I am only allowed to participate on the subjects the forum chooses to allow.
So there is no point in my being a member of this forum.
bye bye.

It’s probably for your own good, as the race hate laws in Holland are broader than the U.K.

In the U.K. you commit an offence if you stir hatred towards a group of people defined by race or religion or both. The definition of hate is as simple as abuse or insults for racial hatred.

For religious hatred the bar is a little higher. But that doesn’t mean you have freedom to insult or abuse people because of their religion. Here the behaviour of a person can help. For example if I dedicate my time to finding “bad” people of a race or religion and adding my own dishonest spin, I exhibit behaviour that is clearly intended to stir hatred.

For example:

Jedists like nothing more than exterminating non Jedists,

because I found an example of some bad Jedists doing bad things. I exhibit behaviour intended to stir hatred toward all Jedists.

As we have seen the courts are happy to consider “asylum seeker” as an applicable group of persons. Even though they will be made up of different colours, nationalities, ethnic groups etc.

If I recognise Jedists in the same way, I have a problem with my “Jedists like nothing more than exterminating non Jedists”.

It doesn’t matter if I call them Jedists, people from Jedi or even a place called Jedi. I have defined them as a group and I commit an offence if I stir hatred towards them. It’s not hard to get your head around surely?

 

[denso13]

and I commit an offence if I stir hatred towards them.

Yes, but Jedi actions can be criticised. No law against that.

 

[motorbiking]

Yes, but Jedi actions can be criticised. No law against that.

A Jedi’s actions can be criticised - correct.

Hatred against all Jedi because the actions of one or some, is a problem. Particularly, if you make dishonest claims about their motives etc.

 

[denso13]

Hatred against all Jedi because the actions of one or some, is a problem. Particularly, if you make dishonest claims about their motives etc.

So you keep saying. Others disagree with you regarding the posts on here.

 

[ajohn]

Zionism is a belief that exists. The wiki gives a pretty flat description of what it means

Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalisthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#cite_note-3 movement that emerged in Europe in the late 19th century and aimed for the establishment of a Jewish state through the colonization[2] of a land outside Europe. With the rejection of alternative proposals for a Jewish state, it focused on the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine,[3] a region corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism,[4] and of central importance in Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinians as possible.[5] Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism became Israel's national or state ideology.[6]

They had some success
The State of Israel would be established in 1948 over 78% of mandatory Palestine following a civil war and the first Arab-Israeli war. Primarily due to expulsions by Zionist forces, and later the Israeli army, only a small Palestinian minority would remain in the land over which Israel was established.

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There has been other ideas mentioned such as deporting all Palestinians. Also a view that Jews can not live alongside any other race.

All you need to do then is think pressure groups and politics. The wiki page is rather long.

 

[T&G]

It’s probably for your own good, as the race hate laws in Holland are broader than the U.K.

In the U.K. you commit an offence if you stir hatred towards a group of people defined by race or religion or both. The definition of hate is as simple as abuse or insults for racial hatred.

For religious hatred the bar is a little higher. But that doesn’t mean you have freedom to insult or abuse people because of their religion. Here the behaviour of a person can help. For example if I dedicate my time to finding “bad” people of a race or religion and adding my own dishonest spin, I exhibit behaviour that is clearly intended to stir hatred.

For example:

Jedists like nothing more than exterminating non Jedists,

because I found an example of some bad Jedists doing bad things. I exhibit behaviour intended to stir hatred toward all Jedists.

As we have seen the courts are happy to consider “asylum seeker” as an applicable group of persons. Even though they will be made up of different colours, nationalities, ethnic groups etc.

If I recognise Jedists in the same way, I have a problem with my “Jedists like nothing more than exterminating non Jedists”.

It doesn’t matter if I call them Jedists, people from Jedi or even a place called Jedi. I have defined them as a group and I commit an offence if I stir hatred towards them. It’s not hard to get your head around surely?

a) No-one is inciting hatred by explaining the beliefs or ambitions of a religion. If you think I have incited hatred of Zionists, by all means post the evidence.
b) No-one is insulting a religious group by explaining their belief. If you think I have insulted Zionists, please present the evidence.
c) The hate laws in the Netherlands has no jurisdiction in the UK. If you think the Dutch laws apply in UK, please explain how.
The Hate Laws are in section 137, which is not included in the Laws that cover other territories:

Section 4 The criminal law of the Netherlands shall apply to any person who commits outside the territory of theNetherlands:1°. any of the serious offences defined in sections 92-96, 97a, 98-98c, 105 and 108-110;

Section 137c1. Any person who in public, either verbally or in writing or through images, intentionally makes aninsulting statement about a group of persons because of their race, religion or beliefs, their heteroor homosexual orientation or their physical, mental or intellectual disability, shall be liable to a termof imprisonment not exceeding one year or a fine of the third category.

d) freedom of expression is guaranteed in Dutch Law. Therefore if you think that my opinions incur the Hate laws, (which they do not) I am entitled to express my opinion. (Which is not my opinion, it is fact)

 

[motorbiking]

C) Don't forget you are pretending you live in Holland, Himmy.

 

[T&G]

C) Don't forget you are pretending you live in Holland, Himmy.

Section 137 (The Hate Laws) are not covered by offences which are committed outside of the Netherlands.
Thus your concern is irrelevant, Bull ****ter.
And my comments do not contravene the Hate Laws by presenting facts.