20.000

[Odds]

Spring offensive wilting? It's a bit early to say that. There's a month left of Spring yet.

At least one Brigade with modern NATO kit just rotated back to Ukraine after training at the start of the month.

Ukraine has started shaping the engagement. The minor counter attacks around Bakmut, the strikes on command posts and logistics hubs. It's text book pre-attack operations.

Plus the armoured vehicles might already be rolling. Ukraine demonstrated they can manage Comms discipline last year. We're most likely to hear about an offensive from Russian soldiers.

I use the old calends in the garden where summer begins on May day: the Met say June 1st is the beginning of summer. Which do you use?

 

[DiyNutJob]

Have you ever considered the possibility that you have begun to believe the propoganda???

Nothing wrong with that. It's believable as it should be. The interesting question is what if the reality turns out different? Would stop talking about it relieves you from being wrong?

Some of the people in this thread better come up with the reason why ukraine won after they have lost territory and collapsed, with the president running off to form government in exile with suitcases full of dollar bills spilling out all the way to the airport. I will need a chuckle.

 

[JohnD]

Not sure which bits your are talking about.

Are you ignorant?

Or just pretending?

"The Battle of Kyiv was part of the Kyiv offensive in the Russian invasion of Ukraine for control of Kyiv, the capital city of Ukraine, and surrounding districts. The combatants were elements of the Russian Armed Forces and Ukrainian Armed Forces. The battle lasted from 25 February 2022 to 2 April 2022 and ended with the withdrawal of Russian forces."

 

[DiyNutJob]

Are you ignorant?

Or just pretending?

"The Battle of Kyiv was part of the Kyiv offensive in the Russian invasion of Ukraine for control of Kyiv, the capital city of Ukraine, and surrounding districts. The combatants were elements of the Russian Armed Forces and Ukrainian Armed Forces. The battle lasted from 25 February 2022 to 2 April 2022 and ended with the withdrawal of Russian forces."

There was no battle of kyiv. Russia threatened it to force a negotiation. Negotiation followed.

Why are people still complaining of the invasion when it ended with a withdraw? The russians must have withdrawn from russia to ukkraine.

 

[JohnD]

There was no battle of kyiv.

You think no guns were fired?

 

[JohnD]

Why are people still complaining of the invasion when it ended with a withdraw?

You mean in the sense that Germany retreated from France in 1944, so France had not been invaded?

 

[DiyNutJob]

You think no guns were fired?

I don't think any russians were in kyiv to know if any ukrainian fired guns there. Like I said, there was no battle there. Feel free to show any videos of it. The russians weren't interested in the ukrainian leadership. Fighting in kyiv would be pointless. Russia is still not interested in the ukrainian leadership. Those people help russia more than they harm it.

You mean in the sense that Germany retreated from France in 1944, so France had not been invaded?

No idea. Tactical manoeuvres come and go. These are not reflective of the end outcome. I always assumed Vichy France was under occupation. If this assumption is wrong, then it's wrong. I don't find past events critically important for evaluating the current events. History doesn't repeat exactly.

 

[transam]

I don't think any russians were in kyiv to know if any ukrainian fired guns there. Like I said, there was no battle there. Feel free to show any videos of it. The russians weren't interested in the ukrainian leadership. Fighting in kyiv would be pointless. Russia is still not interested in the ukrainian leadership. Those people help russia more than they harm it.



No idea. Tactical manoeuvres come and go. These are not reflective of the end outcome. I always assumed Vichy France was under occupation. If this assumption is wrong, then it's wrong. I don't find past events critically important for evaluating the current events. History doesn't repeat exactly.

Load of baloney

From nut job

 

[JohnD]

I don't think any russians were in kyiv

Pure fantasy.

 

[IT Minion]

I don't think any russians were in kyiv to know if any ukrainian fired guns there. Like I said, there was no battle there. Feel free to show any videos of it.

Battle of Antonov Airport - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Loads of footage of that battle if you look for it. It's the equivalent of France dropping paratroopers into Heathrow, then driving an armoured column to follow up.

 

[DiyNutJob]

Pure fantasy.

Do you mean the russians shot down by the ghost of kyiv?

 

[DiyNutJob]

Battle of Antonov Airport - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Loads of footage of that battle if you look for it. It's the equivalent of France dropping paratroopers into Heathrow, then driving an armoured column to follow up.

Makes sense. They took out that large cargo plane and withdrew. It was intimidating enough for ukraine to negotiate after that. They did achieve their objective. The subsequent negotiation failure is a separate matter.

 

[transam]

This entire Russian invasion of Ukraine pretty much demonstrated to the west as how hopeless inept and ***s poor the Russian military actually was / is

Hopeless logistics / planning / leadership ect ect

 

[JohnD]

I don't think any russians were in kyiv to know if any ukrainian fired guns there.

You changed your story very quickly.

 

[DiyNutJob]

You changed your story very quickly.

No change. The russians never went into the city. They might have been in the province to force a negotiation, which they succeeded. They withdrew after accomplishing their mission. Nothing unusual there.