325 million barrels.

Except for the colour scheme... it cost a hell of a lot of money to change the colour of everything because the EU said we had to!
no it didnt.

what did it cost exactly?

how much extra did it cost electricians to use cable with different colours?

if anything it was cheaper as UK cable manufacturers were able to produce 1 cable standard that covered the whole of EU
 
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A huge number of current ISO standards are taken from the previous british standards with very little change

A good example is BS5750 quality assurance was rewritten to become ISO 9001 - it’s basically the same, I seem to recall it’s laid out a bit differently but fundamentally exactly the same

It’s one of the most widely used standards as QA covers every industry
 
It is true.

This Brexit supporters ideas that the UK can ditch thousands of standards is simply false.

EU standards are largely harmonised from international standards, many were harmonised from British standards in which the British played a major part in negotiating



Brexit has increased costs for businesses…if it hasn’t increased costs for your business then you obviously don’t export to EU or import supplies from them.
You've missed my point. The harmonising of standards happened after we joined the EU, and the costs i refer to were associated with changing our product to comply with the revised harmonised standards. Yes, many of the standards were based on existing British standards, but unsurprisingly also incorporated bit of various European countries standards which we then had to comply with. After the standards were harmonsied there were a series of changes to correct problems with new standards. One of our products requires notified body approval so not only did we incurr the cost of redesigning the product, we also incurred the cost of reassed compliance at each stage.

Your point was that EU red tape cost nothing. My point is that EU red tape did incurr costs and didn't actually drive up the quality of the product. What has happened since then was not part of my point.
 
That doesn't make sense. Or are you saying our standards are lower ?
No, our standards are not lower, just different.

Eg we drive on the left, the EU drives on the right. Different standards, but neither is better or worse than the other.
 
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no it didnt.

what did it cost exactly?

how much extra did it cost electricians to use cable with different colours?

if anything it was cheaper as UK cable manufacturers were able to produce 1 cable standard that covered the whole of EU
There were costs, but they're hidden costs. Manufacturers will have had to change their processes, it will have taken management time to change their processes and therefore incurred cost. Stock holders and distributors will have had to create new part numbers and buy a different product, incurring costs. Some distributors will have ended up with stock that people didn't want to buy etc etc.

Any time you change someone, irrespective of whether it is for the better or not, there is a cost.
 
Brexit has increased costs for businesses…if it hasn’t increased costs for your business then you obviously don’t export to EU or import supplies from them.
Responding specifically to this part your post, there are obviously increased costs in many areas, some direct and some indirect. We recently had to return a fauty invertor for repair to Fuji in germany and the documentation to accompany the returned items was timeconsuming and therefore cost money directly. Some of our suppliers prices have gone up to cover the increased red tape of sourcing from the EU post transition period.

However, there are also benefits. As i think i've posted once before, we've made some significant savings in sourcing items direct from manufacturers outside of the EU, rather than buying from a distribution hubs based in the EU. The savings i'm referring to relate to the prices we were paying before the transistion period came to an end.

We're also sourcing more form UK manufacturers. Pricing was similar prior to transistion period ending, but cheaper to source in the UK post transition and we can buy lower volumes on a more frequent basis which helps with cashflow and reliability of supply. Buying more made in the UK can only be a good thing for the UK.
 
However, there are also benefits. As i think i've posted once before, we've made some significant savings in sourcing items direct from manufacturers outside of the EU, rather than buying from a distribution hubs based in the EU. The savings i'm referring to relate to the prices we were paying before the transistion period came to an end.

We're also sourcing more form UK manufacturers. Pricing was similar prior to transistion period ending, but cheaper to source in the UK post transition and we can buy lower volumes on a more frequent basis which helps with cashflow and reliability of supply. Buying more made in the UK can only be a good thing for the UK.
A Brexit benefit. Do you hear that @JohnD and @ellal ? Add that to the crown on pint glasses. (y)
 
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oh and I’m sure all those farmers are over the moon watching their fruit and veg rot in the fields due to lack of seasonal EU workers
We have quite a few farms near us. I can't say I've ever seen anything rotting in the fields. I mean, Brexit started in Jan 2020 and if farmers are still planting crops that they cant harvest because of the lack of seasonal EU workers, I'd say they were pretty stupid farmers, wouldn't you? Would you plant crops if you knew you couldn't harvest them?
 
You've missed my point. The harmonising of standards happened after we joined the EU, and the costs i refer to were associated with changing our product to comply with the revised harmonised standards. Yes, many of the standards were based on existing British standards, but unsurprisingly also incorporated bit of various European countries standards which we then had to comply with. After the standards were harmonsied there were a series of changes to correct problems with new standards. One of our products requires notified body approval so not only did we incurr the cost of redesigning the product, we also incurred the cost of reassed compliance at each stage.

Your point was that EU red tape cost nothing. My point is that EU red tape did incurr costs and didn't actually drive up the quality of the product. What has happened since then was not part of my point.
Costs?
The changeovers were not instant. There was a period of grace, which eased the burden.
 
Costs?
The changeovers were not instant. There was a period of grace, which eased the burden.
Direct cost of £3k for each notified body reapproval, then variable costs for the redesign and testing work.

Yes, there was a grace period which allowed the cost to be spread over a period of time. But the cost was still incurred.
 
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