A brexit benefit

[transam]

Have you ever lived in a country with uncontrolled immigration?

Where was it?

UK

 

[JohnD]

UK

you are mistaken. UK does not have uncontrolled immigration. Nor did it when we were members of the EU.

It is, however, true that the UK government decided not to bother recording and registering non-immigrants who came here under the strictly defined and limited terms of the "freedom of movement for work" treaty.

To believe such nonsense, I suppose you must be some kind of Faragist.

 

[noseall]

To believe such nonsense, I suppose you must be some kind of Faragist.

But I saw it in The Wail and The Express, it must be true surely?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

said on the radio that due to gas prices going through the roof that will effect the paper industry

No Daily Mail? What will Nosey have to moan about?

 

[fillyboy]

It is, however, true that the UK government decided not to bother recording and registering non-immigrants who came here under the strictly defined and limited terms of the "freedom of movement for work" treaty.

There might have been 'strictly defined and limited terms' in the early treaties but surely these were superseded by the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties.

 

[JohnD]

There might have been 'strictly defined and limited terms' in the early treaties

do you deny that UK had the right, after three months, to send home a person who came here under the "freedom of movement for work" terms and did not find work?

or if they were not in employment or were students or trainees and did not have sufficient resources and comprehensive health insurance cover?

do you deny that the UK had the right to require an EU citizen to furnish a valid identity card or passport?

do you deny that the UK had the right to demand proof of the family relationship, in the case of relatives in the descending and ascending line documentary evidence confirming compliance with the conditions pursuant to Section 3 (2)?

do you deny that the UK had the right to require EU citizens or their dependants to leave the country if the foreigners authority has established that no entitlement to entry and residence exists?

Have you ever read Article 21 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU (TFEU)?

 

[noseall]

The EU free movement thing actually worked well for the UK, you can now see since the exodus. Mind, Boris has a plan to replace those hard working folk with highly paid highly skilled workers at £50 per hour.

Lol.

 

[fillyboy]

The EU free movement thing actually worked well for the UK, you can now see since the exodus.

Five and a half miilion applications for settle status for EU citizens?

 

[transam]

Have you ever lived in a country with uncontrolled immigration?

Where was it?

UK

you are mistaken. UK does not have uncontrolled immigration. Nor did it when we were members of the EU.

It is, however, true that the UK government decided not to bother recording and registering non-immigrants who came here under the strictly defined and limited terms of the "freedom of movement for work" treaty.

To believe such nonsense, I suppose you must be some kind of Faragist.

I am not a faragist

fact is there is uncontrolled immigration coming across the channel from France

they are using french supplied rubbber boats and getting towed across into uk waters by the French

 

[fillyboy]

Have you ever read Article 21 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU (TFEU)?

Article 21(ex Article 18 TEC)
1.Every citizen of the Union shall have the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States, subject to the limitations and conditions laid down in the Treaties and by the measures adopted to give them effect.

2.If action by the Union should prove necessary to attain this objective and the Treaties have not provided the necessary powers, the European Parliament and the Council, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, may adopt provisions with a view to facilitating the exercise of the rights referred to in paragraph 1.

3.For the same purposes as those referred to in paragraph 1 and if the Treaties have not provided the necessary powers, the Council, acting in accordance with a special legislative procedure, may adopt measures concerning social security or social protection. The Council shall act unanimously after consulting the European Parliament.

 

[JP_]

Looks like we'll be ok.

 

[JohnD]

subject to the limitations and conditions laid down in the Treaties and by the measures adopted to give them effect.

so not uncontrolled.

Glad to see you've now realised your mistake.

 

[transam]

How can the french migrants coming across the channel be classed as controlled immigration

 

[transam]

Looks like we'll be ok.

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the Finns

blimey we will be alright for Christmas trees and reindeer than

 

[JohnD]

How can the french migrants coming across the channel be classed as controlled immigration

I think you are referring to foreign refugees.

because they do not acquire the right of immigrants, and they can be detained when caught.

So they are not uncontrolled.