Antivaxxers become sensible

[noseall]

Also, I quoted that principle to you the other week when discussing alcohol vs drugs, but you said I was wrong.

Show me.

 

[Notch7]

Previously, we were only told about the 28 day deaths. What was the 28 day business all about, if not deception?

because it speeds the data reporting.

during a pandemic wave with high numbers of deaths it’s very accurate, during lower periods, it’s not.


There’s no deception, this is just another Covid deniers conspiracy….Ellal is constantly spouting it, but refuses to acknowledge the facts

 

[denso13]

So if there are no official counts, how can you claim 'they're so small it's impossible to count'?

Deaths from the vaccine are reported through the yellow card system which anyone can contribute to. You or I could go on right now and report a completely fictitious death.

Deaths due to, or with, Covid are taken from death certificates which are completed by doctors. Can you not see a difference between the two?

No figures again?

There are plenty of figures if you look for them.

 

[ellal]

Deaths due to, or with, Covid are taken from death certificates which are completed by doctors. Can you not see a difference between the two?

May I suggest then that you have a word with the ONS about their official figures, as they treat those options as one and the same...

"We use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19, and we use the term "involving COVID-19" when referring to deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not. The following analysis will focus on all deaths involving COVID-19."


Do you not see the problem?

 

[denso13]

Do you not see the problem?

Not really, their explanation is crystal clear.

"Our mortality data is derived from information provided on death certificates. Within our Deaths Registered Weekly publication, in the downloadable datafile beneath Figure 2, you will find deaths 'due to' and 'involving' COVID-19. We use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths where that illness was recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term "involving COVID-19" when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not."

This has been explained on numerous occasions. You are simply trolling.

 

[denso13]

Couldn't be any clearer...

"In this bulletin, we use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19 and we use the term "involving COVID-19" when referring to deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...lymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2021

 

[ellal]

This has been explained on numerous occasions. You are simply trolling.

No, it merely shows that on numerous occasions people like yourself misinterpret the headline death figures.

But here's a thought...

We are being told to expect a particularly bad flu season this winter...

In your opinion if someone dies of influenza but has at some point tested positive for the 'virus', how should that death be recorded?

Could the (as yet not categorised) concept of 'long covid' be blamed?

Edit: How long did it take to categorise ME/CFS (aka 'Yuppie Flu') as an illness?
Decades. And after recognising it in 2002 there is still no real idea of the cause...

How come the so called concept of 'long covid' came about so quickly and seems to have been accepted without question?

 

[denso13]

In your opinion if someone dies of influenza but has at some point tested positive for the 'virus', how should that death be recorded?

The same as all other diseases.

You can die due to, or with the flu, and any another range of diseases.. Why have you never questioned this before? Or did I miss it. Why all of a sudden is it a deception when recording Covid deaths?

"Of the 1,617 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 293 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (18.1%)"

 

[denso13]

You can die due to, or with the flu, and any another range of diseases.

"The analysis of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in this bulletin focuses primarily on deaths where this condition was the underlying cause of death (deaths “due to”), rather than deaths where they were either the underlying cause or mentioned as a contributing factor (deaths “involving”)"

 

[denso13]

How come the so called concept of 'long covid' came about so quickly

It didn't. It is a feature of any viral infection.

“If Covid didn’t cause chronic symptoms to occur in some people,” PolyBio Research Foundation microbiologist Amy Proal told Vox, “it would be the only virus that didn’t do that.”

 

[jeds]

Government statistics show that more vaccinated people die of Covid than unvaccinated.

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation (publishing.service.gov.uk)

If 100% of people were vaccinated, then 100% of people that die of Covid would be vaccinated. See how it works.

 

[gas112]

https://mises.org/wire/uks-national-crisis-age-adjusted-mortality-2008-levels

 

[denso13]

 

[denso13]

Data for the graph above,

 

[EFLImpudence]

'Only' 66,000 more than 2018. A good job it just beat 1976.

The population in 1976 was 56 million; in 1918 ~40 million.