69er said:
Everyone has the right to disagree with other people. I am not saying if you call someone a racist then they you are giving them abuse. It is when you start saying you supid narrow minded so & so - why can't it just end at the I don't agree with you stage? Make sense?
But what if you think that racists are stupid and narrow-minded?
I agree that racism is a learnt thing but I believe that it can not be totally unlearnt. I have seen lots of racism and discrimination in all walks of life.
So have I. Any learnt behaviour can be unlearned by anybody who isn't stupid and narrow-minded.
As for paedos - I think not. They are hurting people who can not defend themselves. Not liking black people and hurting kids are 2 very different things! Surprised you actually used such an example?
I used that example
precisely to show how ludicrous it was to say that it was wrong to always criticise a minority because "someone has to stick up for the smaller guy".
I didn't say you were. I said "The only reason you can possibly have for supporting racists is that you are one yourself". I could be wrong, so if you'd like to give me another reason why you want to stop criticism of racists, please do so.
Define racism. I don't mean by the dictionary.
How about any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
If I have black friends I assume I am not racist but if I wouldn't take a black wife am I racist?
Yes.
Again I am not supporting racists per se - making a point that people have the right of opinion and providing they are not abusive about it then let them be.
I will let them be in the sense of allowing them to have and to express their opinion. I will even allow them to be abusive in their language if they think it helps convince people of the validity of their opinion.
But I will not refrain from criticising them for their opinion.
It just seems a lot of people get hooked up on the whole pc thing and sometimes that makes racism look worse than it is?
Not I - I can't stand "political correctness".
It's good to actually have a civilised discussion with some guys on here - am very impressed I have not copped abuse yet!
Sorry I can't oblige. (Yet??
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Zampa said:
But what exactly is a racist?.....
Someone who just doesnt like certain other people?...surely thats their right??
Of course it is someone's right to dislike certain other people. It is their right to dislike other people based on nothing but the colour of their skin. But just because it is their right, it doesn't mean that they aren't racist.
Someone who thinks the english are the master race? (theres a good few around who still think we have an empire!!)
Yes.
Someone who thinks all non whites are below them?
Yes.
Someone who thinks people from any country are below them?
Yes.
So if I say 'i dont like blacks'...im a racist?....
Yes.
What if I said..'im fed up with the fact that most street crime is carried out by blacks'??.......I was once accused of being a racist on the strength of that statement.......I saw it as just stating a fact..and sadly for the pinkos and do gooders..it is a fact.
It may be a fact. I know that it is in places where the majority of poorly educated young men with lack of employment prospects and poor adult male role models are black. I don't think it's a fact in areas where the majority of poorly educated young men with lack of employment prospects and poor adult male role models are white. Whether nationwide the percentage of street crime carried out by blacks reflects the overall percentage of blacks in the nationwide set of poorly educated young men with lack of employment prospects and poor adult male role models, I can't say.
And I agree that even when qualified or limited so as to ensure accuracy, sometimes the PC mob don't like those statistics to be mentioned.
But you need to take a step back, and see how you have phrased what you said, and think seriously about what it might be saying about you.
'im fed up with the fact that most street crime is carried out by blacks'
These are not necessarily questions for you to answer, but points for you to think about:
Why are you fed up? Do you think that whites aren't getting their fair share of street crime opportunities? Do you think that street crime should be an activity reserved for whites? Would you be happy to be mugged by a white hoodlum, but not by a black one?
Is it the street crime itself that you're fed up with, or the skin colour of the perpetrators? If you were mugged by a white person, would you want the police to be less interested in finding and catching him than if he was black?
Surely it's the crime that should be the focus, no matter who commits it.
And every time someone tries to bring race into the situation by saying "I'm fed up with the fact that most street crime is carried out by blacks" then that deflects attention and resources from tackling the problem of crime.
Everybody has the right to like and dislike whoever they want...
Freedom of thoight, freedom of expression. But also consider that unless they
want to work at it, and
want to change, people can't
help who they like and dislike. Ulimately it has nothing to do with "rights", it's how they are.
how they lay their views on other people is where the problems start.
Within the boundaries set by laws on incitement of racial hatred people are free to express their views, be they racists, or those opposed to racists.
I moved away from an area because i didnt want my kids going to a 97% asian/ethnic mix school....does that make me a racist?
I don't know. Only you, if you want to, can look inside yourself and be honest about why you didn't want them to go there. Again, this is not something I'm asking you to answer; I'm suggesting it is something that you should think about, and examine with honesty.
The thing that kills me is when a black person is mugged by a gang of white vermin its a racist attack.....when the same thing happens in reverse and a white person is mugged by a gang of black vermin....its a mugging..and the press do their upmost to twist the story so it doesnt mention the 'b' word.
And before anyone starts weeping becuase i used the phrase 'black vermin'.....please note.....ANYONE who mugs someone is vermin...black white asian irish jewish chinese.etc
So why then do you focus on the colour of their skin? If, as you claim, you think every mugger is equally bad, why is it of the slightest interest to you what colour they are?
