Beggars belief

[cumbriahandyman]

Can someone remind me what it says on the side of our fire engines? Would that be Fire and Rescue?

Only a doctor can pronounce death and our emergency services either rescue people of change their logo to Cowardly Fire and Late Recover Service.

 

[nickso]

problem is they like a lot of others are in fear of keeping their jobs. does anyone remember the coastguard guy who climbed down a cliff to rescue a girl after he was specifically told not to? IIRC he was either sacked or was reprimanded so badly he chose to quit.


like it or not in a job that relies more than most on health and safety being followed to the letter they needed to take some care and also obey any orders given. it's all fine and well bleating afterwards about the depth of the water but has anyone thought that they might not have known the depth when they turned up?

the man was likely dead anyway, perhaps if he was thrashing about they may have made a different decision.

not only that but a man who suffers blackouts of up to 15 minutes regularly spending time next to an open pond, great idea.

 

[big-all]

Can someone remind me what it says on the side of our fire engines? Would that be Fire and Rescue?

Only a doctor can pronounce death and our emergency services either rescue people of change their logo to Cowardly Fire and Late Recover Service.

i find it quite offensive that you decide they are cowards based on hearsay
when common sense tells you they are not cowards
do you think the source that says they could have saved his life is more reliable than several highly trained professional people

 

[Biguns]

I honestly believe that if I had been on that scene my overriding feeling/emotion would have been to help a fellow human in obvious distress. It would have taken seconds to make a risk assesment then I would have been in the water doing what I could,No matter who had ordered what

 

[cumbriahandyman]

i find it quite offensive that you decide they are cowards based on hearsay when common sense tells you they are not cowards

I find it equally offencive that they never tried to do anything. They failed to do the job for which they are very well paid.

do you think the source that says they could have saved his life is more reliable than several highly trained professional people

As they did nothing, we will never actually know the answer to that one will we.

A bunch of Girl Guides could have done better.

 

[imamartian]

This whole debate is flawed for one basic reason... we don't know the facts. My argument was that people were venting their spleens based on a 'comic' as big-all so accurately describes it.

The article criticises the dozen rescuers who WERE TOLD not to go into the water, well most of the 'rescuers' were police, ambulance, or air ambulance so they're not trained to go into water and would've waited for fire and resue, or as in this case, specialist water rescue. Obviously, the powers that be decided that the firemen weren't going to risk their lives, was that because this person had been see floating face down for a period of time?

Most of the critacal evidence seems to come from 'witnesses' who said the guy could've been saved if this or that blah blah blah... well what do they know? are they experts? and why the hell didn't they dive into 3ft of water to save him?

 

[LastMagicBean]

Bloody do-gooders never cease to amaze me.
Risk your life????? WTF.
I can't believe some of the comments on this thread.
I would bet my house on it, that if that was your baby daughter lying face down in that boating lake for an unspecified time, you'd be the first to critisize, not only the emergency services but the witness's for writing her off as dead, without even trying to save/retrieve her.

F*ckin shameful country we now live in.

God help any future unfortunate bod, falling in water with the likes of martian and moody on the sidelines, cordoning the area off and setting up an incident room, before even thinking of getting their sandals wet.

 

[sooey]

It was a boating lake ffs not loch ness.

 

[imamartian]

Bloody do-gooders never cease to amaze me.
Risk your life????? WTF.
I can't believe some of the comments on this thread.
I would bet my house on it, that if that was your baby daughter lying face down in that boating lake for an unspecified time, you'd be the first to critisize, not only the emergency services but the witness's for writing her off as dead, without even trying to save/retrieve her.

F*ckin shameful country we now live in.

God help any future unfortunate bod, falling in water with the likes of martian and moody on the sidelines, cordoning the area off and setting up an incident room, before even thinking of getting their sandals wet.

but your response is typical of what keeps the simpleton newspaper presses rolling... news by fabrication. "Bystanders said that the police could've saved their lives" really isn't a fact.. it's an opinion!
And you haven't given me the respect of asking me my opinion !!! i think H&S has gone mad in this country, and the guy on the ground should've waded in until he felt his team were at risk. I don't know why he didn't do that.. but as i said we don't have enough facts to call this... that's what courts are for.

You spouting off only shows the size of your balls, not the size of your brain!!!

 

[big-all]

It was a boating lake ffs not loch ness.

this is a dead body retreaval situation not a life or death situation a decided by several professional people

all of them would without hesitation dive in and rescue a person with a chance off living this situation was several mins past the possible for a very health young person to survive never mind an unfit elder

we need to remember that there may be al sorts off toxins in the mud this may also affected the the desision not to go for the body immediatly

i do not for one second think any off the services would hesitate and go for a rescue if there was even one percent chance he was alive

 

[sooey]

and the guy on the ground should've waded in until he felt his team were at risk. I don't know why he didn't do that.

Maybe he thought there was sharks in there eh.

 

[sooey]

this is a dead body retreaval situation not a life or death situation a decided by several professional people

None of them doctors I take it.

we need to remember that there may be al sorts off toxins in the mud this may also affected the the desision not to go for the body immediatly

Oh ffs.

 

[libby lou lou]

A kid is floating down a river, me, in, the police will stop you, if they can, what would you do? not talking about a two foot still lake.

 

[big-all]

this is a dead body retreaval situation not a life or death situation a decided by several professional people

None of them doctors I take it.

we need to remember that there may be al sorts off toxins in the mud this may also affected the the desision not to go for the body immediatly

Oh ffs.

someone face down in water will survive perhaps 2 mins if healthy [just my guess]
i will leave this pointless exercise until the facts are made available as common sense apparently is not enough to go on

 

[LastMagicBean]

but your response is typical of what keeps the simpleton newspaper presses rolling... news by fabrication.

Nope, I think the witness's are more at fault than the Emergecy services.
Someone HAD to have seen the bloke in the water before the said services were even called.

And you haven't given me the respect of asking me my opinion !!!

I think you made your opinion quite clear, and your fully entitled to it.
I respect everyones right to an opinion.

but as i said we don't have enough facts to call this... that's what courts are for.

That might be a TAD late for the poor f*cker in the water to worry about.?

You spouting off only shows the size of your balls, not the size of your brain!!!

Flirtation will get you nowhere fat boy..