Some heros. H&S madness.
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No they don't.
If they KNOW there's a roadside bomb there they take the time to call in the right people and the right kit to deal with it in a way that puts as few lives in danger as possible. I'm not saying it's not dangerous out there, and I'm not denigrating the job they do. But they're not gung ho, and they strive to complete their mission in the safest way possible.
Looks to me like the senior officer in this case did just that. He judged from what he could see that the chance of the casualty being still alive after an hour face down in the water was so slim that it did not warrant risking more lives in an immediate rescue attempt. His mission from that point on was to pull a body out of a stream at the bottom of a deep ditch - so he called in the right people with the right kit and they did just that.
If they KNOW there's a roadside bomb there they take the time to call in the right people and the right kit to deal with it in a way that puts as few lives in danger as possible. I'm not saying it's not dangerous out there, and I'm not denigrating the job they do. But they're not gung ho, and they strive to complete their mission in the safest way possible.
Looks to me like the senior officer in this case did just that. He judged from what he could see that the chance of the casualty being still alive after an hour face down in the water was so slim that it did not warrant risking more lives in an immediate rescue attempt. His mission from that point on was to pull a body out of a stream at the bottom of a deep ditch - so he called in the right people with the right kit and they did just that.
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namsag
How is it risking lives fek any kid would have slid down on his ar#e and splashed into the water cracking up laughing.
Where do you get an hour from first one arrived after 14 minutes and searched opposite side from the damage on the car, medics where there on 33 minutes
Where do you get an hour from first one arrived after 14 minutes and searched opposite side from the damage on the car, medics where there on 33 minutes
When our Paddy was killed(at night) his body lay at the roadside for three and half hours. He was left there so that the investigation could begin into his death not because somebody couldn't be bothered to remove him. They did all they could, he was dead no more could be done.
I cant believe how many of you think that if that young man was alive no attempt would have been made to save him. It was 11pm so lighting would have to be brought in, the scene preserved so an investigation could take place. It isn't nice thinking how about a loved one being left in such circumstances but it is a necessary evil sometimes.
What really angers me is, you read some **** in a news report (they wouldn't have flowered it up would they) and then go to great lengths to slur those that many of you are not fit to walk in their boots.
I cant believe how many of you think that if that young man was alive no attempt would have been made to save him. It was 11pm so lighting would have to be brought in, the scene preserved so an investigation could take place. It isn't nice thinking how about a loved one being left in such circumstances but it is a necessary evil sometimes.
What really angers me is, you read some **** in a news report (they wouldn't have flowered it up would they) and then go to great lengths to slur those that many of you are not fit to walk in their boots.
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You don't mean those volleyball playing decorators do you?
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namsag
But on arriving on scene how could they have been 100 percent certain he was dead also people are often revived after drowning.
Surely if there was even the faintest of hopes something should have been attempted
Surely if there was even the faintest of hopes something should have been attempted
The 60's weren't kind to you were they joe. you still tripping?.
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Clearly we don't know the precise circumstances - this will no doubt be revealed in due course. It does seem a little odd, however, that ladders set down the side of a 60 degree slope, with appropriate harnesses to the rescue personnel concerned, seem to have been considered too great a risk to take.
In all probability the victim had died by that time, but we cannot be certain and the delay in attempting to find out if there was any hope does look somewhat inappropriate under the circumstances reported by the newspaper.
In all probability the victim had died by that time, but we cannot be certain and the delay in attempting to find out if there was any hope does look somewhat inappropriate under the circumstances reported by the newspaper.
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Sadly not. Did you know that the major cause of injury to the fire service was actually playing volleyball? Maybe they should do a risk assessment? That's if they aren't all tucked up in their dorms preparing for another hard day decorating. Bunch of big girls.
No joe, I didn't know that. At least I was right about the 60's 
The article clearly states:- "Paramedic Sonya Lawrence arrived within 14 minutes but began to search on the nearside of the car, although it was damaged on the offside.
Another 19 minutes later a second ambulance crew arrived and found Mr Malton, who had been thrown unconscious into the dyke by the collision.
He was lying face down in the water and appeared to be dead.
Paramedic Fergus White climbed over a barrier before deciding it was too dangerous to go down the bank.
‘If we had access to him we would have carried out resuscitation but we had no access,’ he said. ‘The bank was very steep and unstable.’
Mr White admitted that he could not be ‘100 per cent sure’ that Mr Malton was dead. and after a further 28 minutes a team of firemen arrived."
I make that just over an hour face down in the water with no sign of life - and two independent trained professionals both deciding it was too dangerous to go down an unstable bank to get to him.
The article goes on to state that the speciallist water rescue team finally used a boat to recover the body - so they thought the bank was too unstable to go down as well.
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Indeed, that's been playing on my mind - 10 police officers, 2 paramedic (individuals or each part of a pair?), a team of firemen (6?) and a water rescue team.How could tying a rope around someone and lowering them down a 16 foot bank into a stream be dangerous?
Especially when there was a mob of them standing at the top ready to pull the rope back out in a couple of seconds.
There's a lot of people standing around not actually doing anything of any use.
Would have been quicker to call in air-sea rescue
Don't know, coz I wasn't there, but if the bank was eroded so that if was overhung and unstable then I wouldn't have fancied clambering down it in the dark and risking it all collapsing on top of me.
A rope ain't going to do you much good if you're buried under a couple of tons of river bank
A rope ain't going to do you much good if you're buried under a couple of tons of river bank
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inky ... So he had been found by 33 minutes not an hour
That slope sure does look steep.
Must risk asses our next shooting trip.
Then again if I slipped in to the ditch my feet would get wet and muddy, and I might catch a cold. Cant have that.
Seriously, if one of the emergency services did go down the slope, they would no doubt have broken some stupid H&S policy. They would then face discipline, and their line manager would be under the hammer for not maintaining discipline ect ect.
Its a no win situation, and this stupid country,s its getting worse.
Must risk asses our next shooting trip.
Then again if I slipped in to the ditch my feet would get wet and muddy, and I might catch a cold. Cant have that.
Seriously, if one of the emergency services did go down the slope, they would no doubt have broken some stupid H&S policy. They would then face discipline, and their line manager would be under the hammer for not maintaining discipline ect ect.
Its a no win situation, and this stupid country,s its getting worse.
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