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I've seen news reports where the rescuer became the fatality, and the victim survived. Especially with walking on ice, where the ice broke. So if the victim suffered trauma, why would the rescuer not succomb to the same fate? Best to be safe than sorry. And get the best people in for recovery, that are trained to do that..Fire & Rescue, tends to refer to Fires and Rescues, land based. If they aren't best equipped, best to wait for expert advice. I'd love some statistics, regarding calls of people in trouble, and being rescued, and their rescuers dying in the process of recovery. I bet it's 70/30 death to the rescuerer dying.
 
i would've waded in until i felt unsafe... my gripe is with the newsapaper... using twisted facts and emotiveness..

"Witnesses said"..... doesn't guarantee a fact.
"12 rescuers"... not right because 75% of them aren't trained for water rescue.
"in 3ft of water" ... put like that is nothing, but we can all drown in 6inch of water....
was the guy obviously dead already? struggling? swimming? not clear.

Hindsight is a powerful advisory.... and every situation is unique in as what would you would've done?

Tabloids are leeches !
 
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Why has nobody considered that he may have been suffering from hypothermia and his body could have 'shut down' in self defence. Thereby maintaining the possibility of life? Also, if it was a relative of yours wouldn't youwant someone to go and try a rescue if only to remove his body from the sight of young children/rubber-necks who love to spout about how they were there? Its called respect for a fellow human being. As for being 'sucked into the mud', I think someone mentioned, out of all those there could not one of them at least do the breast stroke? How can these people call them selves members of the 'Rescue Services'?
Shameful.
 
conny said:
Why has nobody considered that he may have been suffering from hypothermia and his body could have 'shut down' in self defence. Thereby maintaining the possibility of life? Also, if it was a relative of yours wouldn't youwant someone to go and try a rescue if only to remove his body from the sight of young children/rubber-necks who love to spout about how they were there? Its called respect for a fellow human being. As for being 'sucked into the mud', I think someone mentioned, out of all those there could not one of them at least do the breast stroke? How can these people call them selves members of the 'Rescue Services'?
Shameful.
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emotivelly you're right Conny, but practically wrong. The "rescuers" were air ambulance crew !!!! And they were TOLD not to go in... they're in a no win situation.
Everyone believes in the importance of life, and the generosity of fellow humans, but we don't know the REAL facts here...
 
conny said:
Why has nobody considered that he may have been suffering from hypothermia and his body could have 'shut down' in self defence. Thereby maintaining the possibility of life? Also, if it was a relative of yours wouldn't youwant someone to go and try a rescue if only to remove his body from the sight of young children/rubber-necks who love to spout about how they were there? Its called respect for a fellow human being. As for being 'sucked into the mud', I think someone mentioned, out of all those there could not one of them at least do the breast stroke? How can these people call them selves members of the 'Rescue Services'?
Shameful.
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I did, I recall some maniac driving into a river, and drowning his kids. But one at least was alive after 2 hours without oxygen....but sadly died many hours later.
 
The plain fact is that someone, rescuers, witness whoever, should have done something. With all this H&S this country is becoming spineless. We bang on about our kids not being allowed a sense of adventure, not being allowed to be brave etc then bleat like little lambs when this happens. There is a time and place for H&S but these situations are not one of them. These situations call for immediate reaction and response, regardless of if you 'think' he is probably dead. Reminds me of the case of a young man trapped in an upside down car in a water filled ditch and the services wouldn't try a rescue in case they slipped on the grassy bank. A subsequent pathologists report stated that if an attempt had been made immediately on arrival of the services he may have survived. Another lesson not learned and another 'possible' needless death in my opinion. Unless you try you will never know what an outcome may be, and if you do try then at least you have the knowledge that you did everything you could for the poor person.
 
conny said:
The plain fact is that someone, rescuers, witness whoever, should have done something. With all this H&S this country is becoming spineless. We bang on about our kids not being allowed a sense of adventure, not being allowed to be brave etc then bleat like little lambs when this happens. There is a time and place for H&S but these situations are not one of them. These situations call for immediate reaction and response, regardless of if you 'think' he is probably dead. Reminds me of the case of a young man trapped in an upside down car in a water filled ditch and the services wouldn't try a rescue in case they slipped on the grassy bank. A subsequent pathologists report stated that if an attempt had been made immediately on arrival of the services he may have survived. Another lesson not learned and another 'possible' needless death in my opinion. Unless you try you will never know what an outcome may be, and if you do try then at least you have the knowledge that you did everything you could for the poor person.
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or the other headlline:

"Widow with three young children slams fire chiefs for sending her husband to his death trying to 'save' dead man !"

Life's a gamble... we have a good support and rescue structure in place, why not let them get on with it? they know it better than we do !

You should perhaps aim your anger at bystanders who waited 15 minutes before calling for help !?
 
Sorry Immi, but I still maintain that somebody, if only out of respect/decency, should have waded in and at least tried to help this poor man. Even if it meant just lifting his head clear of the water whilst they dragged him back to dry land. Besides the services there were obviously members of the public present who would not be tied by 'red tape' rules and regulations.
I'm not angry, just saddened at what has happened to this fine country because of 'do-gooders' and spineless bureaucrats who dish out these rules.
 
You don't have to apologise Conny, you're entitled to your opinion.
But at least check out the whole of my post before you disagree with me?

imamartian said:
You should perhaps aim your anger at bystanders who waited 15 minutes before calling for help !?
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;) ;)


I think all the posts on this thread have wanted the same thing... human desire to protect and save other peoples' lives... we all have that i'm sure.

What i complained of was the accusatory language used by the Daily Mail... seemingly forming an opinion without all the facts...
 
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