but testing would have potentially saved lives, so its related to the numbers
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Neglect of care homes, and the most vulnerable members of society.
Bluster and waffle won't cut it.
Bluster and waffle won't cut it.
Care homes etc are a bit odd given the instructions for older people in the general population were given. Infections seem to have loosely started at the same time as they did in the population. C4 found one care home that couldn't put it down to people sent there out of hospital so must have been bought in some other way. No idea how many they had to ask before finding that one. One science advisor has said that there is no way he would have sent people out without testing when he worked in the front line. Mind you administrators are probably more aggressive these days - costs. There were no specific instructions that these people should be tested but in terms of people in care homes some were treated in hospital. Then I saw a program that followed an ambulance dealing with it. One visit to a care home. This was at the time when regs were changed so that stocks of certain medication for a patient could be used on others - controlled drugs mostly for palliative care. There have been a few indications that ambulance drivers were making decisions. Also what appeared to be needed to get into hospital - definite shortness of breath - how much pass. Care home capacity from what I saw usually depends on number of rooms but a much earlier one my nan, mom's side was in used dormitories. Separate rooms does mean people can be isolated but they usually spend a lot of time together when they can. Maybe the main problem was PPE again or asymptotic people coming in or working there. The swab test doesn't seem to always be 100% anyway.
Trouble is there are holes all over the place and excuses when given seem to be pretty lame even on late lock down.
Trouble is there are holes all over the place and excuses when given seem to be pretty lame even on late lock down.
People who come ever closer to sampling some Columbian marching powder, but don't actually partake?
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The point being made wasn't about the benefits of testing it was about whether the govt. had or hadn't hit an arbitrary target. Nobody is arguing that the testing capacity and tests that are now available would have been useful at the beginning of march. I don't think we fully know how many asymptomatic people were busy spreading the virus in Feb and early March.
I'm open to being corrected, but the test I took isn't supposed to be very effective if you don't have symptoms.
We needed better tests and more of them, back at the start. But that is like saying we needed a vaccine in January.
That's my impression as well also an NHS person who tested negative twice and clearly had it so diagnosed via an xray. Also mention of use of cat scans in Italy. We probably don't have enough given what that can be used to accurately diagnosis.
A medical man was also alarmed about postal and self applied testing army style at test points. Reason - taking a nasal swab is very uncomfortable hence needing long swabs. They need to be shoved well in and wriggled about.
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Or sick people even earlier. I found this podcast interesting - Catherine Mayer, widow of Andy Gill:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08dnym5
In some ways that depends on reports on S Koreas testing capability but they were ready as had been there before with SARS I would assume.
Here's a place showing how it should have been handled in the UK.
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And how the data should have been made readily available to the general population in an easily understood format.
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Not really comparable given size and population. About twice the population of the IoW, which has had < 200 cases.
When they say "tests per day" I wonder if they mean "tests performed per day" (as any reasonable person would interpret it)?
Or if they mean, like the UK Government does, "Not the number of tests performed, but an aggregate of tests performed, tests unsuccessful or damaged, tests put in the post but not yet delivered, or not yet analysed, or not received back, or not performed, and tests put in vans for delivery to remote centres as stock, to be used at some uncertain future date, or destroyed if not used"
Which only a bunch of shameless liars and crooks would use?
Or if they mean, like the UK Government does, "Not the number of tests performed, but an aggregate of tests performed, tests unsuccessful or damaged, tests put in the post but not yet delivered, or not yet analysed, or not received back, or not performed, and tests put in vans for delivery to remote centres as stock, to be used at some uncertain future date, or destroyed if not used"
Which only a bunch of shameless liars and crooks would use?
You having a laugh,Tesco employ more in uk than the population of Iceland.
Maybe expectations should have been considered by all when the numbers were announced. 100k tests a day are one thing. Getting them to people is another. And getting a result back is yet another. It didn't surprise me that some where posted. I think circa 170k done one way or the other yesterday. Boris mentioned 200k soon also 24hr turn round time. The latter will be tricky. Yet more drive throughs?
I keep detecting a lot of the general use of the just in time principle.There are several care homes around here. They are all over the place. That makes testing tricky. Not much info about other than this
https://www.oscar-research.co.uk/datasheets/carehomes
Populations don't seem to have changed that much between 2001 and 2011 censuses.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...rehomepopulationbetween2001and2011/2014-08-01
There is a bit more info on hospital emptying coming out. Sounds like instructions were no testing if no symptoms but more reports needed. Infections were being picked up in hospitals from several sources at the time including doctors that didn't know they had it.
The problem with testing capability is that it depends on the proportion of people in the population actually carrying the virus and cross infection rates. Some countries seem to have reacted directly in relationship to that aspect so didn't need huge numbers. That probably reduced the number needing treatment as well.
Seems the Roche antibody test will be used shortly. NHS first.
Korea used a 2hr test turn round time on arrivals for a while. Then switched to 14 days isolation and a tracking bracelet to make sure they do. Totally different approach though that may mean less of their population has natural immunity. Assuming there is some and it lasts long enough.
One interesting aspect. 2 briefs have now mentioned wearing face coverings in shops. Maybe things haven't stacked up as well as expected so looking for the missing bit.
Yes, I don't know if the saliva swab test is as effective as the deep nasal swab, I do know that the pharynx is a place where the virus exists in high numbers.
I wouldnt want a deep nasal swab it looks pretty unpleasant.
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