Bloody Apologists!!

[securespark]

Well, I've read the whole kaboosh and I side with Adam, at least from the apologising POV.

Cheques made payable to Secure Electrical Services, Adam. Quick as you like!!

Well if me or anybody ever came across you or yours in peril for any reason your answer gives us the inclination to walk right on by leave you to your fate, we could always say a half hearted sorry afterwards.

You basically said all those deaths dont matter and the criminals are ok to get away with it

You are entitled to your opinion, however strongly written.....nice to know I can rely on you in a crisis.

Oh, and while we are on the topic of apologies and compensation, no-one has mentioned the Swiss and their lack of compo to the Jews. They took all the money the Nazis made out of the captured Jews........

 

[Moz]

securespark

I wish I was a real *UNT like you an throw in a WHOLE DIFFERENT THREAD HERE AS A DEFLECTION


CAUSE THEM JAPS ARE EVIL BASTA*DS AN DESETINED TO HELL...as you apologetic bunch of scumbags .. dye in a burning hell you evil anti GREAT BRITAIN NASTY B*ST*RDS ,maybe your IPS should be sent too the new anti UK MI5 SQUAD ...........lol



If I was evil I would say no let these boys have you ..
I will let the PhRoZeN KrEw.. sort you maybe a court date like Jacko

 

[Freddie]

Well, I've read the whole kaboosh and I side with Adam, at least from the apologising POV.

Cheques made payable to Secure Electrical Services, Adam. Quick as you like!!

Well if me or anybody ever came across you or yours in peril for any reason your answer gives us the inclination to walk right on by leave you to your fate, we could always say a half hearted sorry afterwards.

You basically said all those deaths dont matter and the criminals are ok to get away with it

You are entitled to your opinion, however strongly written.....nice to know I can rely on you in a crisis.

Oh, and while we are on the topic of apologies and compensation, no-one has mentioned the Swiss and their lack of compo to the Jews. They took all the money the Nazis made out of the captured Jews........

You wouldnt rely on me in a crisis i believe in only helping those who deserve it

I agree with Moz as regards nasty anti Brit and distraction

I thought the Swiss banks had paid the Jews or perhaps i heard it wrong

 

[Big_Spark]

Gentlemen, we all have strong opinions on this subject, and perhaps we have not all worded our posts in the best or most communicative way we could have, but lets attempt to keep it reasonably civil. Moz, your post is simnply a personal tirade of abuse and unecessary.

We all are entitled to our opinions, some swayed by personal knowledge from members of our families and from other sources, and some opinions due to strongly held political or social views.

It is ironic that the price paid by those who never returned, and by those who endured the terrible conditions in the Japnese camps all helped to ensure that the very freedoms we enjoy were maintained for us to express our opinions.

We are all adults, in honour of those who endured, can we please keep this reasonably civil and try to avoid the very personal insults that are starting to creep in. We can all fall into the trap, but lets try to avoid it...

Thanks.

 

[Moz]

FWL_Engineer
HOW DARE YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF anything MY POSTS WERE JUDGED AN MEASURED ,I HAVE BEEN AFFECTED 1ST HAND TO THEM EVIL JAP BAST*RDS ..!!!!


I SPENT 11 YEARS OF MY YOUTH SEEING A WONDERFUL GRANDAD DIE EVERY WEEKEND A LIL ,
FOR HIM TO DIE THAT WAY ...

SAT FOR 5 HRS ,TRYING TO LOVE A MAN WHO DIED YEARS AGO IN A DEATH CAMP ...

KISSING A CORPSE EVERY SUN DINNER....

TELLING HIS SORROWFUL JADED EYES HE WILL GET BETTER NEXT WEEK ...

ON HIS DEATH BED HE SAID HE GOT THE COMMANDERS DAGGER ...

HE ASKED I TAKE IT AS IT MEANT THE SUFFERING ,I SAID YES , HE LOOKED AT ME AN GRIPPED MINE AN MY SISTERS HAND AN BLEW US A KISS AN DIED ......


THE COMMANDERS DAGGER
MY FATHER HAD IT BUT HIS BROTHER TOOK IT AN SOLD IT FOR A FEW POUNDS ..FOR DRINK MONEY !!

SHAMEFUL

I DONT CARE AS LONG AS HIS AWFUL DREADFUL TIME IS KNOWN ,AN NOT FORGOTTEN ,
AS A CHILD WHAT HURT WAS BEING TOLD HOW MY STRONG /GORGEOUS "WONDERFUL GRANDAD " COMING HOME WAS ,
AN SEEING A ....SKINNY GHOST
sorry for shouting ...
//////////////////////////////////////
FWL_Engineer
JUST GET OFF THIS THREAD ,...YOU STUPID IDIOT,TO TRY AN ATTACK ME HERE IS UNWARRENTED/CRASS...I PITY YOU..

_________________________________
moderator

if this type of abuse carries on i will lock the thread

may i remind you of all 8

 

[Big_Spark]

Moz, I never took you for a fool, I started this thread. Your meandering attack is not thought out, simply emotional. You have watched someone die as a shell of themselves, someone who, as you say, died some 60 odd years ago.

You have the right to be angry, and I do not disagree with you, as my posts should clearly show, however personal attacks between us are not warranted, we are all entitled to our opinions and shouting abuse and insults is not part of that.

Please only post if you can add some reasoned argument to the discussion, pure emotion will not help.

 

[Moz]

STOP IT NOW .....


I accept your apology .. you are not going to Hell now ..


you were WRONG/nasty as you say ,so what ...


get over it an be better, not a nasty troll

 

[AdamW]

OK, seems I missed a whole lot here, but I've read most of it.

The German culture is very similar to ours. Sure, we never succumbed to an eugenical regime with the aim to wipe out or enslave all who did not conform to their ideal, but historically and through comparison, it is obvious that we are very Germanic. So we understand them, largely. So after the war, we realised that if we cut off the Nazi head, the German body should heal.

On the other hand, Japanese culture is very different from ours. Before WW2 there had been no cultural exchange with Japan. Sure there has been technological exchange, but even now the only cultural exchange to speak of is Wagamama's restaurants and Anime (those Japanese cartoons and comics) and even that is of a fairly narrow popularity. We didn't understand them then and we don't understand them now.

However, if the Japanese think we are so far below them, why is western culture so popular there? Our music, our films, our LANGUAGE are seen as something to emulate. Just one example is a very dear friend of mine. Nigel was the lead guitarist in my last band, but now lives in Tokyo teaching English. He has a new band out there made up of westerners. And the Japanese love them. They are a small time pub-circuit band. Yet they have enough Japanese fans that on his birthday-celebration-performance, many people showed up to the bar with presents! That NEVER happened to our band in the UK!

And there are a lot more English and English-derived words in Japanese than there are vice-versa. Just go to Japan and see for yourself, I am currently planning a trip with a few friends for 2007 where I will be doing so.

Japan is a different place 60 years after VJ day. The suffering of allied PoWs was terrible, and must not be allowed to happen again. I can see why you feel the way you do if members of your family were victims of this (I can't empathise with you as my family fought exclusively in Europe and Africa, so never had such encounters).

However, Japan in 2005 has as much need to apologise for their actions in WW2 as we do for our ancestors' treatment of the native peoples in our Imperial territories. And there is no way that I am apologising for that.

 

[Big_Spark]

Adam, Japan is not a different nation to that bombed in 1945, that is the great mistake many who seem to wish to apologise for the nation seem to ignore.

OK, so at present they may not beleive their emperor to be a God, but having been there I see how they are still a nation of inhuman barbaric children.

I have heard Japanese state that "What they did during the War was not wrong, it was war, they were our enemy, we were the victor and we can treat them as we like as we own them"

This is not me making it up, similar comments were echoed by many of those interviewed for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki documentaries on TV tonight.

Lets not forget, the Japs got hit on August 6th with Fat Man, then again on August 9th with Little Boy, Still they did not surrender, still the Army and the rest of the Military elite chose to continue the war, it was only the PM..Nakamura, who got the Emperor to make a public address accepting defeat that got the surrender. The only reason nakamura did this was because they feared the Yanks would drop the Next one on Tokyo and the Imperial family would be killed, something unthinkable to the Japanese.

What is little known is that a third plane was sent out, but instead of Tokyo it was heading for Kyoto, the ancient capital City of Japan and seat of the Enperors of old, however the plane never arived over Japan and so the thrid bomb was never dropped. The plane is believed to be at the bottom of the pacific. For about 50years this was kept secret by the Yanks, but slowly the information has leaked out.

The Japs ONLY agreed to surrender after the Emperors speech and the fact that the Yanks Bluffed them into thinking they had nearly 50 Atomic bombs.

Look at the dates, the Jap surrender came on August 15th..

 

[Freddie]

OK, seems I missed a whole lot here, but I've read most of it.

The German culture is very similar to ours. Sure, we never succumbed to an eugenical regime with the aim to wipe out or enslave all who did not conform to their ideal, but historically and through comparison, it is obvious that we are very Germanic. So we understand them, largely. So after the war, we realised that if we cut off the Nazi head, the German body should heal.

On the other hand, Japanese culture is very different from ours. Before WW2 there had been no cultural exchange with Japan. Sure there has been technological exchange, but even now the only cultural exchange to speak of is Wagamama's restaurants and Anime (those Japanese cartoons and comics) and even that is of a fairly narrow popularity. We didn't understand them then and we don't understand them now.

However, if the Japanese think we are so far below them, why is western culture so popular there? Our music, our films, our LANGUAGE are seen as something to emulate. Just one example is a very dear friend of mine. Nigel was the lead guitarist in my last band, but now lives in Tokyo teaching English. He has a new band out there made up of westerners. And the Japanese love them. They are a small time pub-circuit band. Yet they have enough Japanese fans that on his birthday-celebration-performance, many people showed up to the bar with presents! That NEVER happened to our band in the UK!

And there are a lot more English and English-derived words in Japanese than there are vice-versa. Just go to Japan and see for yourself, I am currently planning a trip with a few friends for 2007 where I will be doing so.

Japan is a different place 60 years after VJ day. The suffering of allied PoWs was terrible, and must not be allowed to happen again. I can see why you feel the way you do if members of your family were victims of this (I can't empathise with you as my family fought exclusively in Europe and Africa, so never had such encounters).

However, Japan in 2005 has as much need to apologise for their actions in WW2 as we do for our ancestors' treatment of the native peoples in our Imperial territories. And there is no way that I am apologising for that.

Japan untill after the war Adam was very much different to today, they would have frowned on westerners in those days and your friends wouldnt have been welcome there except maybe as servents of some kind.

As regards appologising or paying compo-----well what you are saying is that those who committed the crimes should be let off scott free which they have done while their victims who survive suffer.

Also those who where guilty prospered after the war and some became the mega business names you are familiar with today.

The economy isnt as great now as it was up to 15 years ago, but between 40 and 15 years ago Japan boomed and with the help of your tax money and they never returned a penny, infact when asked the turned their backs and they were asked many times even by a group of their victims who constantly asked the men who personally murdered and tortured them and their friends-----just imagine if you are one of those victims and had had your nose snubbed for 60 years---they call the eastern war the forgotton war.

 

[AdamW]

Lets not forget, the Japs got hit on August 6th with Fat Man, then again on August 9th with Little Boy, Still they did not surrender, still the Army and the rest of the Military elite chose to continue the war,

Sounds like the kind of thing the inhabitants of a large island to the north-west of continental Europe would do when faced with such odds, don't you think?

Moz, I wasn't going to comment on your suggestion I am anti-UK, because I love the UK so much that words couldn't begin to describe it. My experience is that on these boards, when people start pointing fingers and claiming that other people aren't patriotic it is generally because they are rather stupid... I know that you aren't stupid, so I'll just put it down to the fact that you are very close to this subject.

 

[Big_Spark]

Adam, yes when genuinly attacked there are parallels between Japn and the UK, however this is as far as they go.

Any other nation, in Japans position in 1945, would have unconditionally surrendered after the first Bomb, they would not have faffed about for 9 days then surrended only because a second one had been detonated and more were supposed be on their way, the fact it was a bluff is irrelevent, the Japs did not know this.

Further, you comment on the behaviour of the Imperialists from Europe, and this is correct to mention, Euorpean nations could and should have delat with colonies far better than they did, but to attempt to make a comparison bewteen the two is insulting. You may be patriotic fella, but you obviously need to be a bit less nieve on this subject (and I don't mean that as an insult, simply an observation).

If the British had treated our Colonies as badly as many attempt to paint today, then perhaps someone would like to explain why more than 11 Million civilians from our Colonies VOLUNTEERED to fight for Britain in the War.

Lets not forget the 2 million Indians, the half million Blacks, the 150,000 Burmese, Malay etc tec that died fighting for this country and our freedoms. More Colonial troops died for this nation that did ours in absolute numbers, so we could not have treated them that badly if they were willing to fight for it.

 

[Moz]

after the shame the nasty ...

 

[Freddie]

Fwl Engineer is correct in what he says about the British and this recent anti-British stuff of all these nasty atrocsities we did to the rest of the world is a huge thing--so huge-- i would love to here about them.

Of all the people who had empires the best one to be part of was the British as the others were just disasterous

I did ask you earlier Adam ad i will ask you again---can you inform me now of all these bad things we did to the rest of the world which are somewhere near or on par with anything the Japs did? or infact just tell me any of these bad things that we did to others i would love to here of them as my history teachers forgot to tell me off them---and before you start spare me the one of the potatoe famine

 

[kendor]

I did ask you earlier Adam ad i will ask you again---can you inform me now of all these bad things we did to the rest of the world which are somewhere near or on par with anything the Japs did? or infact just tell me any of these bad things that we did to others i would love to here of them as my history teachers forgot to tell me off them---and before you start spare me the one of the potatoe famine

Just a few to be getting on with for the time being:

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1862/february/british-atrocities-india.htm
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum27/9183.html
http://www.explorepahistory.com/odocument.php?docId=49

FLOUTING THE GENEVA CONVENTION

As the British retreat in some areas turned into a rout, certain units turned to using dum-dum bullets against advancing German troops. They had also been ordered not to take any prisoners except for interrogation. Anyone who disregards Convention does of course put themselves outside its protection. Such was the case with the Royal Warwickshire Regiment.

As the British retreat in some areas turned into a rout, certain units turned to using dum-dum bullets against advancing German troops. They had also been ordered not to take any prisoners except for interrogation. Such expanding bullets inflict horrific wounds and are strictly banned under the Geneva Convention to which Britain was a signatory. Anyone who disregards Convention does of course put themselves outside its protection. Such was the case with the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. This Regiment excelled itself when it came to brutality and disregarded both the 'Rules of Land Warfare' and the Geneva Convention. It was not their policy to take prisoners and Waffen SS units were well aware of the atrocities committed against civilians and German troops by the Royals. Their behaviour so infuriated one SS unit that it retaliated by shooting a number of captured members of the Warwickshire Regiment.

And more recently

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/amnesty.htm

What the british troops did to innocent people in Kenya was disgusting!

Worse than those that perform atrocities are the ones that preach a holier than thou edict when they are just as bad as anyone else!

Freddie you havn't explained why innocent civilians deserved to die in Japan.

Perhaps if you find out your facts first then you may show more compassion towards your fellow man.