Blown render!! Please Help!

[legs-akimbo]

J bonding I suggest you refer to an earlier post I made where I stated : have you ever tried to bring down a hundred square metre gable in mid february with a scratch coat rich in waterproofer, if you have then you will be there till midnight. Have you ? I doubt it very very much.
One thing puzzleing me why do you advocate waterproofer in ashlar and quoins etc , whats the whys and wherefors of that then?
Also found a reference to waterproofer as per the legs spec from Sika but lost it again as the site is difficult top negotiate due to a plethero of differing data sheets , the product however was sika 1 waterproofer, will find it again later.

 

[jbonding]

Nobody in any situation can do anything more than follow the manufacturers instructions when using their product.

If you decide to rewrite them or misinterprete them then we will be here all year argueing what each interpretation is.

As regards cracks ( hairline ) in render--you must be the only one that never gets them.

I didnt say paint will cover them but there is a product what you put on them first before you paint and i dont know what it is called, but regular painting of render with exterior paint is supposed to help protect from the elements or so the multi-billion dollar industry tells us---but you obviously know better.

hairline cracks are possible in render another reason for not putting the waterproofer in the top coat, lime helps. i know these products werent available some time ago so what did we use then. this is exactly what you said "I see your point on waterproofer and top coat and that makes sense but for 2 reasons----Even with driving rain the water cannot penertrate to the scratch coat and i should know ( situ ) and also if there was any crack in the scratch coat ( and there always is-- plenty of them ) then the water in your discription can get through to the blocks and your deep freeze will blow the render in the way you discribe------so basically your argument is self defeating especially as render should be painted as further protection against any mishaps such as cracks." how come your always getting cracks in you scratch coat , ill give you a clue SUCTION." quote freddie "as render should be painted" if you dont know what its called i wouldnt even start to recommend it.

 

[legs-akimbo]

Just running around in circles chasing his tail.

No where do the makers of pva/whateverbond endorse it's use outside in exterior situations.

The makers of Evostick waterproofer endorse the fact that it is used in every coat of exterior render not just or only the scratch coat

These are the two stated facts of questions arisen here and applied by the Plasterers who have replied to this thread all except one who is jbonding who has written his own directions for the uses of these products which nobody agree's with and is in direct conflict with the manufacturers directions of usage.

Perhaps jbonding should stick to what he knows best--reading palms and selling lucky white heather

quote freddie"No where do the makers of pva/whateverbond endorse it's use outside in exterior situations".
but do they say dont use it outside, i didnt think so.
quote freddie"The makers of Evostick waterproofer endorse the fact that it is used in every coat of exterior render not just or only the scratch coat"
and do they advise you paint it to hide cracks?
i i hope your not calling yourself a plasterer are you, what quals have you got if any?

BUT DO THEY SAY DONT USE IT OUTSIDE : says J bonding. Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes they do for crying out loud.
For Gods sake J.B. if it says "evo bond is not suitable for external solutions " in clear concise English then for those of us that have a basic grasp of understanding it means, well, and here comes the difficult bit J bonding..............Yep , its not suitable for ....erm, external ....solutions.
No its not a cryptic puzzle they put on the back to confuse Omadons like yourself it means one thing and one thing only with explicit clarity even a five year old could understand " DO NOT USE THIS PRODUCT OUT DOORS".

When you buy a pair of socks from M&S J bonding do you sit at home for a week wondering exactly what to do with them because they dont come with any instructions, and if they did you would still confuse yourself because they would not state clearly enough for someone of your limited intellect exactly which sock fits which foot.

 

[jbonding]

J bonding I suggest you refer to an earlier post I made where I stated : have you ever tried to bring down a hundred square metre gable in mid february with a scratch coat rich in waterproofer, if you have then you will be there till midnight. Have you ? I doubt it very very much.
One thing puzzleing me why do you advocate waterproofer in ashlar and quoins etc , whats the whys and wherefors of that then?
Also found a reference to waterproofer as per the legs spec from Sika but lost it again as the site is difficult top negotiate due to a plethero of differing data sheets , the product however was sika 1 waterproofer, will find it again later.

funny isnt it you find that bit of proof and it dissapears, One thing puzzleing me why do you advocate waterproofer in ashlar and quoins etc , whats the whys and wherefors of that then? are you asking because you dont know?
now legs youve gave the answer to why you and muppet pal are wrong "have you ever tried to bring down a hundred square metre gable in mid february with a scratch coat rich in waterproofer, if you have then you will be there till midnight." why would you be there till midnight, the answer is the waterproofer in the scratch coat does the job i told you it would.

 

[jbonding]

Just running around in circles chasing his tail.

No where do the makers of pva/whateverbond endorse it's use outside in exterior situations.

The makers of Evostick waterproofer endorse the fact that it is used in every coat of exterior render not just or only the scratch coat

These are the two stated facts of questions arisen here and applied by the Plasterers who have replied to this thread all except one who is jbonding who has written his own directions for the uses of these products which nobody agree's with and is in direct conflict with the manufacturers directions of usage.

Perhaps jbonding should stick to what he knows best--reading palms and selling lucky white heather

quote freddie"No where do the makers of pva/whateverbond endorse it's use outside in exterior situations".
but do they say dont use it outside, i didnt think so.
quote freddie"The makers of Evostick waterproofer endorse the fact that it is used in every coat of exterior render not just or only the scratch coat"
and do they advise you paint it to hide cracks?
i i hope your not calling yourself a plasterer are you, what quals have you got if any?

For Gods sake J.B. if it says "evo bond is not suitable for external solutions " in clear concise English then for those of us that have a basic grasp of understanding it means, well, and here comes the difficult bit J bonding..............Yep , its not suitable for ....erm, external ....solutions.
No its not a cryptic puzzle they put on the back to confuse Omadons like yourself it means one thing and one thing only with explicit clarity even a five year old could understand " DO NOT USE THIS PRODUCT OUT DOORS".

have you got the picture yet, or are you still colouring it in. ive got a tub here and it doesnt say that and thats the second tub ive looked at, can you take a picture of the back of the tub and post. have you made your mind up about the waterproofer, all coats, just the top coat and none in the scratch coat . its like im going round in circles ive gave you enough reasons for putting it in the scratch coat and not the top and you keep changing your story do you agree with freddie about the paint? if it says use in all coats why are YOU advising you dont need to bother in the scratch coat , now answer this before we move on you tik orange ****.

 

[legs-akimbo]

You would be there till midnight because the top coat would not be ready for napping due to the lack of suction from the scratch coat ...it would simply hang all day before it could be floated and then napped. No waterproofer, controled suction, faster cure, float napp home for ya tea!
Yes I was asking you why in ashlar and quooins....Why?

 

[Freddie]

pva is glue

 

[jbonding]

I dont know what the product is for covering cracks before painting cause i have never used it only seen them using it as its painted--every house is painted here and i suppose you would be hard pushed to find a wetter place.

well shut up and stick to watching paint dry you prick.

 

[Freddie]

pva is glue

 

[jbonding]

You would be there till midnight because the top coat would not be ready for napping due to the lack of suction from the scratch coat ...it would simply hang all day before it could be floated and then napped. No waterproofer, controled suction, faster cure, float napp home for ya tea!
Yes I was asking you why in ashlar and quooins....Why?

You would be there till midnight because the top coat would not be ready for napping due to the lack of suction from the scratch coat, its not lack of suction its the waterproofer doing its job not letting the water readilly pass through, so the reason you wouldnt put it in the scratch coat is so you could get home for your tea.

Yes I was asking you why in ashlar and quooins....Why?[/quote
the way you asked that question makes me question your knowledge of grammar or ashlar work , please refrase the question in a better way.

 

[jbonding]

I dont know what the product is for covering cracks before painting cause i have never used it only seen them using it as its painted--every house is painted here and i suppose you would be hard pushed to find a wetter place.

well shut up and stick to watching paint dry you p***k.

But what i do know about you thick ***** **** is pva and i have used thousands of gallons of it over the years and know it is totally useless in damp or wet conditions and totally useless outside.

Now Seamus you prove me wrong or shut up and stick to your bacon and cabbage

youve used thousands of gallons over the years, WHAT FOR dont steer clear of the waterproofer, and what quals have you got, ie plastering.

 

[Freddie]

pva is glue

 

[jbonding]

quote legs"When you buy a pair of socks from M&S J bonding do you sit at home for a week wondering exactly what to do with them because they dont come with any instructions, and if they did you would still confuse yourself because they would not state clearly enough for someone of your limited intellect exactly which sock fits which foot"

i would simply come on this forum and ask someone, and hopefully they could help, im not sure which section id put it in, maybe footings,lol

 

[jbonding]

Now i know schooling is hard for in bred gypo's, but being as you can write i would have thought you could read------go back and see----i never said i was a plasterer--but i use pva every day all day and i explained many times.

I do have also 2 containers of whatever bond/pva for building use aswell here and a part used gallon of green Evostick waterproofer, and i have quoted from the manufacturers instructions on all 3 items and also my 15 years experience of using pva and also knowing wherenot to use pva.

Now Seamus read !----perhaps this has been the problem all along

do you know how to take a picture and post on here? why the insults,is it a reference to ireland, ie in bred gypo's. What do you do?

 

[legs-akimbo]

You would be there till midnight because the top coat would not be ready for napping due to the lack of suction from the scratch coat ...it would simply hang all day before it could be floated and then napped. No waterproofer, controled suction, faster cure, float napp home for ya tea!
Yes I was asking you why in ashlar and quooins....Why?

You would be there till midnight because the top coat would not be ready for napping due to the lack of suction from the scratch coat, its not lack of suction its the waterproofer doing its job not letting the water readilly pass through, so the reason you wouldnt put it in the scratch coat is so you could get home for your tea.

Yes I was asking you why in ashlar and quooins....Why?[/quote
the way you asked that question makes me question your knowledge of grammar or ashlar work , please refrase the question in a better way.

Its a simple enough question. Why do you state that waterproofer should be used in the top coat of ashlar, and quoins, etc . Its a genuine question what are the benefits?(Ashlar or blocking out) is predominant on to plain floated finishes as a method of lining in joints to create imitation stonework. Seeing as you do this on a float finish, why waterproofer in this if it will be ashlar jointed but not if that very same wall was simply plain finished. ?