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the video clearly illustrates the ‘stand off’ . which obviously indicates previous issues between the man and the hospital.
ie . at least 3 iirc hospital staff and at least 2 police already in the room, not to mention the ‘neutral’ bystander with the camera capturing the ‘whole’ thing that they want you to see in readiness for their social media page and compensation claims.
what’s in the video gives me a good idea of what happened leading up to the incident , just like George Floyd
new video footage emerging every day .
It’s pointless debating the ‘facts’ of a 30 second video with you because you’ve already , gullibly swallowed the whole thing hook line and sinker. are you really this naiive man.
and btw I see it as detention not arrest.
for his own and others benefit.
reply not needed. I’ve said what I think .
ie . at least 3 iirc hospital staff and at least 2 police already in the room, not to mention the ‘neutral’ bystander with the camera capturing the ‘whole’ thing that they want you to see in readiness for their social media page and compensation claims.
what’s in the video gives me a good idea of what happened leading up to the incident , just like George Floyd
new video footage emerging every day .
It’s pointless debating the ‘facts’ of a 30 second video with you because you’ve already , gullibly swallowed the whole thing hook line and sinker. are you really this naiive man.
and btw I see it as detention not arrest.
for his own and others benefit.
reply not needed. I’ve said what I think .
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Was he arrested at that time?
That would be unlawful.
chucking him out forcibly - not so much.
that is what he was doing when the police arrived, and they appear to have become enraged that he refused to stop.
Some appear to consider that he escalated the situation by wanting to continue sitting at his dying daughter's bedside holding her hand. I am not convinced that this is the case.
none of the people who applaud his violent arrest have explained what they think he did to justify it. I am very willing to listen to such explanations, if they are ever given.
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Do you get that they had a right to use reasonable force to make him leave?
Do You get that "was accused of pushing a doctor and threatening staff after being told his daughter's life support was being turned off" gives grounds for public order offences sec 4, 4a and 5 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/5
Have a read.. If something had kicked off previously all this may have been more justifiable. Particularly given other sick children on the ward.
IMO forgetting the legal aspects, based on the video, they should not have used force to get him to leave. Certainly not without being clear they had the right and would do so.
"if you don't xyzzy, I will be forced to do abc" etc. heard none of that. I think his case may succeed on that basis along with the legal technicalities already discussed.
Do You get that "was accused of pushing a doctor and threatening staff after being told his daughter's life support was being turned off" gives grounds for public order offences sec 4, 4a and 5 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/5
Have a read.. If something had kicked off previously all this may have been more justifiable. Particularly given other sick children on the ward.
IMO forgetting the legal aspects, based on the video, they should not have used force to get him to leave. Certainly not without being clear they had the right and would do so.
"if you don't xyzzy, I will be forced to do abc" etc. heard none of that. I think his case may succeed on that basis along with the legal technicalities already discussed.
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You do realise that what you describe as
"the ‘neutral’ bystander with the camera capturing the ‘whole’ thing that they want you to see in readiness for their social media page and compensation claims."
Is actually police bodycam footage? There were four police officers and two security guards present
The parents had a lot of trouble getting the footage from the police.
I don't approve of "I know best" parents insisting that a terminal child will get better, but I also don't approve of the medical profession regarding questioning the competence of treatment as unreasonable
Given that the father is a Chest Consultant, and was questioning the diagnosis of a junior dr, it should have been handled better
Also your "30 second video" is 4 mins 39 seconds
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That's not what happened.
"A spokeswoman for the unnamed hospital trust said: “Our first priority is always to act in the best interests of our patients. Our clinical teams work hard with young patients and their families to provide optimal care for their individual needs and to reach agreement on the best treatment. When disagreements about clinical care happen, we do everything we can to listen, understand and provide support during what are very difficult and sensitive circumstances. This involves the wider clinical team, consideration with our medical ethics team, and also obtaining second and third opinions from independent expert clinicians from other trusts. When these routes have been exhausted, a High Court process exists to provide an independent judgement by a Specialist Judge who will hear evidence from everyone involved including experts and the system requires, and arranges, separate representation for the child. On very rare occasions, when there is a risk to the safety of any of the patients in our care, to relatives, visitors or to our staff - or obstruction or interference with the delivery of care and treatment - it is necessary for us to seek help from our security staff or the police."
"On August 29, 2019, the hospital made an application to the High Court for an order authorising a withdrawal of life support. The trial was listed for September 19-20, 2019 and the Court imposed an anonymity order to prohibit identification of the parties in any reporting of the case. On September 15, 2019, Zainab’s condition deteriorated. The parents secured two emergency telephone hearings before Mr Justice Cohen, where they argued for an escalation of life-saving steroid treatment which had been reduced. The application was refused, and Zainab died the following morning."
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/footage-shows-dad-pulled-hospital-18709182
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The incident happened on 19th August - 10 days before applying to the court.
The hospital disagreed with the alternative suggestions of the qualified father.
Both the father and mother are qualified drs.
The trial to determine the hospital's decision was a month later
The hospital disagreed with the alternative suggestions of the qualified father.
Both the father and mother are qualified drs.
The trial to determine the hospital's decision was a month later
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The Court is the last stage in a process.
So what do you claim happened on the actual day?
What do you believe the father did that justified the police dragging him from his dying daughter's bedside?
You are noticably reluctant to think up an answer.
Come on, you've had nearly a week to try and think of a convincing excuse.
What is it?
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What you quoted in your post does not prove that isn't what happened.
It does not disprove the point that the parent is a chest consultant and was handled badly by a junior doctor.
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