Brexit Negotiations proceeding, er...... well...... er....

[Corgigrouch GTi]

We are just bracing ourselves for the carnage. You lot need to get yer heads out of the sand. Fortunately a lot of the Quitters will be dead by the next election. Thank fook.

With a bit of luck, so will you...

 

[motorbiking]

The EU was fine when it was about trade harmony. It lost its way IMO on two fronts. Expansion and Federalisation.

Expansion - The more countries joining, the greater disparity between net contribution and net benefit. All countries have poor people, it isn't right that it costs the avg British tax payer 2 days pay per year, effectively a charitable payment to the less rich EU countries.

Federalisation - The USA never managed to pull it off any they all speak the same language (mostly). Creating a US of E. can't work unless a single currency exists pinning all to the same economic strategies.

For britain to have a future as an EU member we would have to join the Euro, which in itself has been disastrous.

 

[noseall]

For britain to have a future as an EU member we would have to join the Euro

We managed without it for 17 years.

which in itself has been disastrous.

In what way has the euro been disastrous?

 

[motorbiking]

A substantial amount of EU investment/cost is related to the single currency. If you are happy to fund something you cannot benefit from, then fine.

Poorer countries cannot devalue their currency to improve their economies.

The Euro powerhouses are made more competitive.

ireland, portugal, greece all had massive austerity because they couldn't adjust values. Spain and italy suffered unemployment etc.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

seems like the poles have up set the EU ? over some judge appointment caper ?

Absolutely right too.
If **** end could read he would realise exactly what is at stake.
"Poland’s rightwing government has been accused of dragging the country back in time".
The ruling party wants to take political control of the judiciary.
"MPs in Poland’s lower chamber voted to approve a highly contentious law giving control of the nation’s supreme court to the president instead of judges, sparking new protests in Warsaw."

Or maybe **** end would prefer politicians to be in control of the judiciary? It means that any political manoeuvring/decisions cannot be challenged in the courts. It means that political opponents can be charged and imprisoned for alternative views. It means that politicians can impose sentences on a whim.
Maybe that is the kind of world that **** end would prefer?

Absolutely right and proper that an organisation such as the EU should exert whatever leverage it can.
"(Tusk)He said: “It falls to us, together, to avert bleak outcomes which could ultimately lead to the marginalisation of Poland in Europe. It is my belief that its most recent actions go against European values and standards, and risk damaging our reputation. They transport us – in the political sense – in time and in space, backwards and eastwards. "
It would be the kind of move that leaders like Erdogan, Trump, et al would applaud.

And the Hungarians have said that they will back up the poles in any vote ?

As usual no mention of this. Is it more of **** end's fantasy?

no I do not have a link before any one asks

Convenient, as usual. It allows **** end to fabricate some additional fantasy on to his far right views.

Breaking: It is all pointless anyway, the Polish President said he will veto such a move.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

With a bit of luck, so will you...

Maybe this comment should be "even handedly" dealt with.
It reminds me of the reward offer for someone to run over another person. Typical RWR!

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Maybe this comment should be "even handedly" dealt with.
It reminds me of the reward offer for someone to run over another person. Typical RWR!

What's up wahabe? It was in response to noseall's seemingly gleeful comment on the death of many people who don't share his opinion... It seems that it is encouraging the loony left and his beloved violent immigrants to be violent.. is it your wet dream to see people slaughtered on the streets too? I support the removal of these people to ensure a peaceful UK

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Absolutely right too.
If **** end could read he would realise exactly what is at stake.
"Poland’s rightwing government has been accused of dragging the country back in time".
The ruling party wants to take political control of the judiciary.
"MPs in Poland’s lower chamber voted to approve a highly contentious law giving control of the nation’s supreme court to the president instead of judges, sparking new protests in Warsaw."

Or maybe **** end would prefer politicians to be in control of the judiciary? It means that any political manoeuvring/decisions cannot be challenged in the courts. It means that political opponents can be charged and imprisoned for alternative views. It means that politicians can impose sentences on a whim.
Maybe that is the kind of world that **** end would prefer?

Absolutely right and proper that an organisation such as the EU should exert whatever leverage it can.
"(Tusk)He said: “It falls to us, together, to avert bleak outcomes which could ultimately lead to the marginalisation of Poland in Europe. It is my belief that its most recent actions go against European values and standards, and risk damaging our reputation. They transport us – in the political sense – in time and in space, backwards and eastwards. "
It would be the kind of move that leaders like Erdogan, Trump, et al would applaud.


As usual no mention of this. Is it more of **** end's fantasy?

Convenient, as usual. It allows **** end to fabricate some additional fantasy on to his far right views.

Breaking: It is all pointless anyway, the Polish President said he will veto such a move.

You understand absolutely nothing about polish or central European politics...

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Fortunately a lot of the Quitters will be dead by the next election. Thank fook.

That's nice. Not nasty like all those horrible "RWR". More "parity" from the man who claims to middle of the road or maybe just a bit off centre.

 

[transam]

That's nice. Not nasty like all those horrible "RWR". More "parity" from the man who claims to middle of the road or maybe just a bit off centre.

yep pretty much sums up noseall .

A closet extremist ,who wishes death on those who did not vote for remain

The forum extremists the consisting of Noseall , JohnD, kakerot , him again wa ha b

the B.E brigade

 

[Ihavenojob]

I think

Steady on there, keep that up and one day you may say something sensible.

 

[Doggit]

In what way has the euro been disastrous

Motorbiking has already covered it, but I'll add to it anyway. The USA is in many ways, what the EU is trying to emulate, but each state has it's own local taxes, and that shows that there has to be a degree of local control. Each country that joind the Euro, was supposed to be operating within certain fincaial paprameters as to GDP defecits etc, but countries like Greece and (I think) Irelands poor finances were ignored. They then benefited from the low central interest rates, and their economies borrowed and expanded out of control. After that, devalutation of the currency was the only route to get out of the mess. The pound was overvalued, that's why we benefited from the crash in the pound after the brexit vote, and our economy expanded, but Greece and all the other struggling countries can't do that.

Germany is about the only country with a solid manufacturing base, and even they are suffering because they can't devalue and export more, so it shows the problem from both sides.

In reality, the Euro was designed as a way of bringing tighter control over the countries, not as a working example of how so many disparate countries/economies can work together. And it is possible, that if Greece and the other struggling countries can bring their economies under control through austerity measure (unlikely) then they'll come out of it much stonger.

In the end, the Euro is the best example of a one size doesn't fit all policy.

 

[noseall]

In reality, the Euro was designed as a way of bringing tighter control over the countries, not as a working example of how so many disparate countries/economies can work together. And it is possible, that if Greece and the other struggling countries can bring their economies under control through austerity measure (unlikely) then they'll come out of it much stonger.

In the end, the Euro is the best example of a one size doesn't fit all policy.

So not really a fault of the Euro - more a fault of the country. The 2008 crash saw a lot of casualties, UK included. Would Greece not be on its erse if it was still using the Drachma? Would Spain be flourishing under the Peseta? Would Italy be strong under the Lira?

 

[EFLImpudence]

...and would Britain have been and be better off if it had joined the Euro when introduced?

At the time, it was 70p for a Euro.
Since then, it has frequently worsened - 89p at the moment - but never bettered that value.
As we have a trade deficit, it would certainly seem to be the case.

I don't know - just asking.

 

[noseall]

A closet extremist ,who wishes death on those who did not vote for remain

I can't help old age boyo. Ti's true, a lot will be dead by the next election. Can't do anything about the thickos that voted though. Maybe the huge savings that leaving the EU will afford the UK, may well be spent educating these people.
Now there's a thought.