Caught Red Handed

[kendor]

Bas when i read kendor's post , the bit about ( help them get on the right track ) it sounded to me in my opinion only, that we/society should rehabilitate these murders, of innocent children. because if we kill them we will be as bad as them, whats the point of helping them get on right track if they are going to be in prison for the rest of there life, that's if life means life not 15-20 years or less for good behavior, PS after reading my post again it sounded as if i was attacking kendor personally, for which i apologise. regarding ( why kill) why not , ( don't answer that one don't want to go over old ground ) the prisons are over flowing to start with, so why not get rid of those scum so there's more cells for criminals who commit crime not as bad as murder ( children ) in stead of letting them off lightly as in fines community service ect, majority of which would be in prison if they there was cells available. PS let me know if i still not understood kendor's post and i will give myself a slap or 2

Let me clarify what i meant, basically I was saying what's the point in killing someone when we should be doing more to stop these things happening in the first place ie more parents should be cautious of where there offspring are at any time, those that offend could be forced to be medically altered from their present urges, after all prison is there to reform and not simply just to lock up, this is the programming bit i was on about.
Lastly i do not condone anyone harming another but it is a fact that some do not act like the majority whether this is because of factors that affected them when young or whatever they do need help and as stated before the simple act of eradication is such a cop out and could almost be seen as the cowards way out instead of tackling the issue.
I don't suggest that the offenders be let off lightly either but it is the responsibility of society itself to sort out it's problems in the civilised way it preaches and not allow human rage to take over otherwise it loses it's grip on authority.

 

[Softus]

...as stated before the simple act of eradication is such a cop out and could almost be seen as the cowards way out instead of tackling the issue.

Exactly COWABUNGA kendor

I don't suggest that the offenders be let off lightly either but it is the responsibility of society itself to sort out it's problems in the civilised way it preaches and not allow human rage to take over otherwise it loses it's grip on authority.

I vote kendor for PM.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

after all prison is there to reform and not simply just to lock up

I think that 3 factors should be considered.

1) Yes, as much as possible any offender should be helped to reform.

2) Some people are too dangerous to ever be safely considered "reformed".

3) Some people, no matter what the cause, and no matter whether they reform or not, and no matter how much they repent, have done things which mean they have forfeited their right to ever be a part of society again.

 

[kendor]

after all prison is there to reform and not simply just to lock up

I think that 3 factors should be considered.

1) Yes, as much as possible any offender should be helped to reform.

2) Some people are too dangerous to ever be safely considered "reformed".

3) Some people, no matter what the cause, and no matter whether they reform or not, and no matter how much they repent, have done things which mean they have forfeited their right to ever be a part of society again.

in those cases then yes society has failed to successfully reform these people then they have to be locked up for as long as necessary but still it means that they are subject to control by the state as opposed to just got rid of, so fully agree with you ban on this.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

And IMO it doesn't just apply to dangerous predatory paedophiles.

This guy for instance doesn't need therapy - he's had more than enough lessons to tell him that his behaviour is unacceptable, and he has amply demonstrated that he is not going to reform.

More http://archive.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/2003/02/01/105419.html

As far as I'm concerned, he has irrevocably lost the right to live in the same society as the rest of us, and we should be rid of him, no matter how "contrite" he was. Not only should offenders like him be jailed for life, they should be in the group of "Life means forever. Society wants rid of you on a permanent basis. You are never coming back. Goodbye."

 

[Slogger]

guess who wrote this dribble

et me clarify what i meant, basically I was saying what's the point in killing someone when we should be doing more to stop these things happening in the first place ie more parents should be cautious of where there offspring are at any time


wake up m8ty we need to get rid of these offenders and that means KILLING them

i dont want to pay to keep them locked up i want revenge in the form of a public execution all payed for at the expence of the offenders family as they do in CHINA


WHO CARES WINS

 

[markie]

Kendor, about the medically altered bit, what exactly do you mean ( chop off there hands and legs , give them drugs to stop urges ) if they are going to be locked up for life why bother, whats the point of trying to reform these bast###s if life means life.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

wake up m8ty we need to get rid of these offenders and that means KILLING them

i dont want to pay to keep them locked up i want revenge in the form of a public execution all payed for at the expence of the offenders family as they do in CHINA


WHO CARES WINS

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[Slogger]

oh my B.A.S
is that the best you can do come on please i know you can show me the way to the light but i want to show the way to the light to the peados and i cant undestand any human being that wants to allow these fuc**** to live


and you say your civlilised nah your just a coward afraid to spill blood in the name of a good and just cause

as for me well we all know where i am standing dont we right behind the paedos ( with an axe )

WHO CARES WINS ( why dont you care )

 

[Slogger]

wake up m8ty we need to get rid of these offenders and that means KILLING them

i dont want to pay to keep them locked up i want revenge in the form of a public execution all payed for at the expence of the offenders family as they do in CHINA


WHO CARES WINS

Slogger - you are a nasty, vicious, ignorant and violent barbarian. Nobody who isn't already one of the ******* who share your depravity is going to "wake up" and agree with you.

ah i missed the ****** bit ( am i )

do we really have to resort to name calling its always the same when you lose an argument isnt it blah blah blah nutter/******/etc

 

[Freddie]

Slogger - you are a nasty, vicious, ignorant and violent barbarian. Nobody who isn't already one of the ******* who share your depravity is going to "wake up" and agree with you.

Absolute classic from the one who viciousley posted against a woman forum member and upset her so much she left the forum.

Your good with the insults BAS but small on the brains.

Why is it that when you disagree with someones post you result to abuse--insults--and silly name calling? are you really so inadequate you cant string a sentance together without resulting to the same old dross?

Other people can have a point of view other than yours believe it or not, and no matter how many names and insults you throw at them it wont change their point of view to yours.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

do we really have to resort to name calling its always the same when you lose an argument isnt it blah blah blah nutter/******/etc

I have not lost an argument.

And yes, it does no harm to periodically remind you and your fellow scumbags just how repulsive some people find you.

I know you don't care, because nobody as vile as you can ever care about anything except your own perverted hatreds, but there's always a chance that the message will grow, and more people condemn you, and that you eventually slither away.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Absolute classic from the one who viciousley posted against a woman forum member and upset her so much she left the forum.

I did not viciously post against her - I simply said that her story, be it a wind-up, a troll or just a joke had such a hollow ring to it that I was no longer prepared to join in the wind-up, take the bait or share in the joke.

Why is it that when you disagree with someones post you result to abuse--insults--and silly name calling? are you really so inadequate you cant string a sentance together without resulting to the same old dross?

Are you really so stupid that you don't get it, despite the number of times I've explained? It's not a case of disagreeing with someone's post, it is a case of telling them what sort of person their views make them.

If I posted here saying that I liked having sex with children, and it wasn't hurtful, and it was all very loving and what could be wrong with it, do you think that people would just say "well, I don't agree, old chap, but you have a right to your opinion"?

Or might I get a bit of "insults and name-calling"?

Other people can have a point of view other than yours believe it or not, and no matter how many names and insults you throw at them it wont change their point of view to yours.

I don't suppose it will, but by their opinions these people have shown that they are not using logic and reason to arrive at their position, and so their point of view cannot be changed anyway.

And as I keep saying - I'm not trying to change their point of view - I'm trying to keep pressing home the message that they are despicable.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

oh my B.A.S
is that the best you can do come on please i know you can show me the way to the light but i want to show the way to the light to the peados and i cant undestand any human being that wants to allow these fuc**** to live

I know you can't, because you are not capable of rational thought, or understanding.

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[Softus]

i dont want to pay to keep them locked up i want revenge in the form of a public execution all payed for at the expence of the offenders family as they do in CHINA

Does anyone else wish that this poster really would go and live in China?