Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK

[Brigadier]

Other countries do it a lot more quickly, without resorting to these type of policies

Playing devil's advocate, and apart from the fact that our governments are generally pretty useless (more concerned with trashing the other side to gain/retain power, than actually earn office through achievements).......

...... we've probably been complacent, thinking the Channel would act as a substitute for effective immigration control.

 

[ellal]

we've probably been complacent, thinking the Channel would act as a substitute for effective immigration control.

But weren't we promised that 'taking back our borders' was number one in the 'brexit bonus list'?
That's what brexiteers apparently voted for, so you can't include them in the 'we' bracket.

The fact is it's an impossible task without agreements in place with the whole of mainland Europe.
(which brexiteers voted against, so they were lied to/deluded)

And It wasn't complacency on behalf of the government because it has for a long time been a diversionary political tactic!

The latest proposals are appalling, and I hope that Lineker at least is able to change the tone of the debate.

Governments have been known to u-turn when a famous sports person gets involved in a moral dilemma!

 

[Deleted member 18243]

What?
Seeing something posted, (you knowing not what) by someone you by definition disagree with.....

The ignore feature cuts out a lot of unnecessary noise, interruption and repetition. Using ignore because you disagree with somebody's reasonable opinion is a bit pathetic, but that's not really what it's for. I've got three posters on ignore for repeated lying / twisting and one for making an obscene comment about the victims of the Manchester Arena bombing. If I still had those peoples' posts visible threads would be two or three times their necessary length, especially with John D's contributions. Ignore is a way of excluding the rabble; it would be a good thing to have at council meetings.

as far as I can see, I don't think we do take our fair share.

If that is true (which I doubt because record keeping in other countries cannot be trusted) then you would have us take far more immigrants than we do now.

If that is what you want I think you have a responsibility for what happens to them and what they do once they are here. Therefore - what is your plan for the keeping of thousands, possibly millions, more immigrants?

 

[Odds]

The latest proposals are appalling, and I hope that Lineker at least is able to change the tone of the debate.

Governments have been known to u-turn when a famous sports person gets involved in a moral dilemma!

Who else are you referring to?

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I'll wait....

How the Holocaust happened in plain sight

Six million Jews were murdered between 1933 and 1945. How Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party turned anti-Semitism into genocide.

www.nationalgeographic.com

I QUOTE
However, historians use the term “Holocaust”—also called the Shoah, or “disaster” in Hebrew—to apply strictly to European Jews murdered by the Nazis between 1933 and 1945.

 

[Brigadier]

Using ignore because you disagree with somebody's reasonable opinion is a bit pathetic

Agree.

That, and asking a loaded question.
And not liking a loaded response.

 

[IT Minion]

Oh yes they are! The more extreme of the extreme loony left say that we deserve to be attacked by "them" because of our attacks on their countries. IT Minion used this logic to defend the Manchester Arena bombers. Not to mention the leftist doctrine that all crime is caused by rich people rather than the criminals themselves.

Don't try to sugar-coat your evil beliefs Notch, I will always see through it.

So full of ****.

 

[Justin Passing]

(which I doubt because record keeping in other countries cannot be trusted)

Evidence please, that they cheat and we don't. Otherwise, you're just making up rubbish again.

 

[noseall]

How the Holocaust happened in plain sight

Six million Jews were murdered between 1933 and 1945. How Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party turned anti-Semitism into genocide.

www.nationalgeographic.com

I QUOTE
However, historians use the term “Holocaust”—also called the Shoah, or “disaster” in Hebrew—to apply strictly to European Jews murdered by the Nazis between 1933 and 1945.

How is that showing the post you imagined I wrote? I don't need a history lesson thanks. Six million Jews were not murdered in the 1930's no matter how many times you post the dates of the Holocaust. Lineker was quite specific.

Now, can you show the 'ignorant bias' post, supposedly by me please?

 

[Deleted member 294929]

How is that showing the post you imagined I wrote? I don't need a history lesson thanks. Six million Jews were not murdered in the 1930's no matter how many times you post the dates of the Holocaust. Lineker was quite specific.

Now, can you show the 'ignorant bias' post, supposedly by me please?

You've just repeated your ignorance I don't need to go back

6 million Jews were murdered between 1933 and 1945.

 

[Justin Passing]

How is that showing the post you imagined I wrote? I don't need a history lesson thanks. Six million Jews were not murdered in the 1930's no matter how many times you post the dates of the Holocaust. Lineker was quite specific.

Now, can you show the 'ignorant bias' post, supposedly by me please?

Do you think what the Nazis said and did like persecuting and burning the Jews out in the 30's was ok, as they only killed some then but went on to kill millions?
Lineker didn't make that distinction.

The people doing the speeches in the 30's killed millions. By specifying those people, there's an implication that a similar pattern of behaviour might evolve.

 

[noseall]

6 million Jews were murdered between 1933 and 1945.

Correct. 6 million Jews were murdered between 1901 and 2000. However, Gary was quite specific, i.e. the 1930's. Six million Jews were NOT murdered in the 1930's boyo, no matter how many straws you grasp.

 

[noseall]

Do you think what the Nazis said and did like burning the Jews out, in the 30's was ok,

Me? Why do you ask?

Gary was quite specific in what he said. You can interpret that how you wish. He compared the Tories to fascists - harsh but he's received a lot of support.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Correct. 6 million Jews were murdered between 1901 and 2000. However, Gary was quite specific, i.e. the 1930's. Six million Jews were NOT murdered in the 1930's boyo, no matter how many straws you grasp.

You said the Holocaust started in 1941.

It started in 1933 this when Jews were being murdered by the Nazis

I don't need to repeat my posts as you continuously keep repeating your ignorance.

I need a rest from you now because your tiresome.

 

[noseall]

You said the Holocaust started in 1941.

Liar.