Church Scandal gone global.

[dextrous]

But i do believe there are many people , even atheists who have a quiet word inside especially when ones child is sick or a loved one is on the operating table.

Just think of the time you say "oh Jesus!" or Oh God!" when you are in an emotive state.

Does saying 'Holy Cow' make you a Hindu too? Or 'touch wood' make you a pagan?

"praying" for help is perfectly natural - we're desperately clutching at straws and trying to make sense of it all. Sadly, this proves jack-all

Also, use of language doesn't mean anything. Does saying "f**k me" mean I'm a nymphomaniac

 

[skitzee2k]

If we live in a purely material world then how do we account for the many supernatural experiences that people have, such as encounters with God, ghosts, spirits, etc (obviously, exactly what all of these encounters actually are are all interpreted by different people in different ways but the fact remains that people encounter things that do not fit a purely naturalistic world view). Are we really to conclude that all of these people are delusional, deceptive, or mad? Or could it be that people are having real encounters with real supernatural beings not explainable through purely scientific mediums?

Where does all of the incredibly complex information come from that is stored within DNA? Information doesn’t just appear by itself. Someone has to put it there.

Why does humanity seem to have an innate desire and need to worship something, or someone? Why is there such a universal religious sense within humanity?

Isn’t it a bit extreme to assert "God does not exist"? To make such a statement you would have to have complete knowledge and to have been everywhere in the universe. Maybe God dwells somewhere in the universe you don’t know of or have not been to? Is that possible?

What about the evidence of design in all of creation? It is obvious that anything that is designed has to have an intelligent creator. For example, a computer never came about by mere accident, but had to have been thought out and planned by an intelligent designer. It is the same with creation, and more so, as the natural world is far more complicated than anything humanity can create.

If we live in a purely material world then how do we account for the many supernatural experiences that people have, such as encounters with God, ghosts, spirits, etc (obviously, exactly what all of these encounters actually are are all interpreted by different people in different ways but the fact remains that people encounter things that do not fit a purely naturalistic world view). Are we really to conclude that all of these people are delusional, deceptive, or mad? Or could it be that people are having real encounters with real supernatural beings not explainable through purely scientific mediums?

Where does all of the incredibly complex information come from that is stored within DNA? Information doesn’t just appear by itself. Someone has to put it there.

Why does humanity seem to have an innate desire and need to worship something, or someone? Why is there such a universal religious sense within humanity?

Isn’t it a bit extreme to assert "God does not exist"? To make such a statement you would have to have complete knowledge and to have been everywhere in the universe. Maybe God dwells somewhere in the universe you don’t know of or have not been to? Is that possible?

What about the evidence of design in all of creation? It is obvious that anything that is designed has to have an intelligent creator. For example, a computer never came about by mere accident, but had to have been thought out and planned by an intelligent designer. It is the same with creation, and more so, as the natural world is far more complicated than anything humanity can create.

My reply went walkies!!! Ok,
Will do it again,
Yes, delusional,
DNA having information has been twisted by theists to mean something it doesn't.
It has information in the same way that a river has information on how best to get to the sea. Nothing more.

Up until very recently (100k years) there is no evidence we did worship...we then started worshipping the sun, the plants etc as we were looking for meaning and we weren't advanced enough to see that their may not be one.

Just because we cannot prove something, does not make it more likely. We cannot prove ANY negative...back to the squirresl for example...This is not an argument.

There is NO evidence for design.

The human brain is programmed to see patterns...and we do, whether they are there or not...in clouds we see rabbit and sheep for example, an old nail in the wall can look like a spider in the night....it is just our brains OVER processing.

 

[cornishwizard]

alsheating religon says you go to a better place when you die so if you are not happy in this life why not move on to the next one! or are you not sure there is another life

 

[herebriefly]

skitzee, please provide me with an explantion for intelligent design, which SCIEBCE agress must have a creator, and give me fact, just one that god does not exist
and why we should not believe in god, but believe there is no god.

...it doesn't state it must have a creator.
Especially not an intelligent one.

Did you know that the recurrent laryngeal nerve this is the nerve that goes from the brain to the heart is actually wrapped around the heart in a kind of strangled route? In giraffes this leads close to 20ft of pointless nerve....this was left over from a past evolutionary ancestor...
...did you also know due to the design of our throat (in order for us to speak) the poor design has caused us to be the ONLY animal that can choke?

There are hundreds of design flaws...that if there HAD been a designer, would have got rid of

What a pointless remark. Bit like a lot, most from you.

 

[noseall]

Does saying 'Holy Cow' make you a Hindu too? Or 'touch wood' make you a pagan?

No it does not.

My analogy refers to the fact that we are humans with emotions and that it easy to see why our beliefs or fath in things emerges.

On a personal level there is nothing wrong with deriving comfort from believing or having faith in something divine.

What my analogy reveals is that even atheist have feelings. Having faith is like having a feeling.

What are feelings, emotions? They are largely pointless and confuse logic. the more removed you are from emotions the more efficiently of logically you will perform in a stressful situation.

So why do we have them.

If you admit to having emotions and feelings then you are not that far from having faith.

 

[dextrous]

There are hundreds of design flaws...that if there HAD been a designer, would have got rid of

No disrespect, but isn't this a non-argument since if darwinism is true, then evolution would have got rid of this too?

 

[dextrous]

What are feelings, emotions? They are largely pointless and confuse logic. the more removed you are from emotions the more efficiently of logically you will perform in a stressful situation.

So why do we have them.

If you admit to having emotions and feelings then you are not that far from having faith.

I beg to differ. Are emotions not simply another part of out survival instinct and as such innate? Thus good things make us happy and safe, bad things sad etc etc etc.

It's a bit like good food tastes good, poison tastes bad

 

[skitzee2k]

There are hundreds of design flaws...that if there HAD been a designer, would have got rid of

No disrespect, but isn't this a non-argument since if darwinism is true, then evolution would have got rid of this too?

No, because evolution isn't a designer...it is a make doer.

...For example...ostriches....why do they have wings? Because it is more of a pain to take them away then leave them there.

Evolution doesn't have the ability to go back to the drawing board, it has to just make do in the quickest possible way....these leads to weird flaws like this

 

[alsheating]

still darwins theory is only a theory, a bizzaree one too, and why is it when athiests are challenged they come up with childish resoning.

about the choking thing, dont you think its a good thing we choke, othe wise we would be animals, without reason or compassion...other than athiest that is

and again darwins theory is a thoery a wild one at that which has never been proven, and he is an athiest which explains the childish thoery....need i say more oh yes which was never proven



im putting my top hat on

 

[dextrous]

There are hundreds of design flaws...that if there HAD been a designer, would have got rid of

No disrespect, but isn't this a non-argument since if darwinism is true, then evolution would have got rid of this too?

No, because evolution isn't a designer...it is a make doer.

...For example...ostriches....why do they have wings? Because it is more of a pain to take them away then leave them there.

Evolution doesn't have the ability to go back to the drawing board, it has to just make do in the quickest possible way....these leads to weird flaws like this

Well, if that's the way god designed evolution to run, who are we to argue

 

[cornishwizard]

god is a theory as well

 

[skitzee2k]

still darwins theory is only a theory, a bizzaree one too, and why is it when athiests are challenged they come up with childish resoning.

about the choking thing, dont you think its a good thing we choke, othe wise we would be animals, without reason or compassion...other than athiest that is

and again darwins theory is a thoery a wild one at that which has never been proven, and he is an athiest which explains the childish thoery....need i say more oh yes which was never proven



im putting my top hat on

Er...you don't know what a theory is do you . It is not a guess. FOr example, Gravity is a theory...don't see many people saying that is just a guess
Evolution is fact though. Evolution wasn't Darwin's theory, his theory was on the PROCESS of evolution.
It is the best working model we have, we can see it happen in real time too....it is awe inspiring and you should look into it.

 

[alsheating]

The human brain is programmed to see patterns...and we do, whether they are there or not...in clouds we see rabbit and sheep for example, an old nail in the wall can look like a spider in the night....it is just our brains OVER processing.

you have just stated in your own sentence, we are programmed whihc means we have been created, just like apc has been created, and could never come about by chance...

self defeat.

im taking my top hat off, my brains evolving and getting big lol

 

[alsheating]

skitzee stop going swings and roundabouts now you are trying to munipulate me about darwins theory, its not working

define theory

idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture

 

[alsheating]

gravity is a law, einstien.