Climate change questions

[AngleEyes]

To be precise, we are of-shoring our pollution production, but our consumption/use remains.
And of course crowing about how we have reduced our pollution emissions.

During the TV programme last night there was a perfect example of how UK disingenuously claims to have reduced CO2 levels by the amount claimed.
https://www.radiotimes.com/programme/b-qztojo/how-green-is-the-government-dispatches/episodes/

Bio-fuel used in power stations such as Drax, is often dirtier fuel than coal, but because it is imported, the pollution levels were already counted in its production, in the country of origin, not in its consumption in UK.
So power stations such as Drax are claimed by UK to be net zero polluters, when in reality they are sometimes dirtier than coal fired power stations.

Bio-fuel pollution is accounted for in the land use figures, in whichever country it is produced, therefore it is not accounted for in energy production figures.
If it were to be accounted for in energy production, as well, there would be a double counting.
Additionally, transport outside of a country's territory is also not included in that country's pollution accounting. So bio-fuel, is accounted for in the country of origin, and also not accounted for in any transportation figures involved in import to UK.

 

[johnny2007]

I really don't think you meant to post that - LOL
you have sort of blown all your own arguments clean out of the water.

It clearly debunks your theory that co2 levels have reached record levels now.
Of course unless you're blind, you can see that this is totally fabricated boll@x to scare the masses and make them buy a Prius.

 

[IT Minion]

It clearly debunks your theory that co2 levels have reached record levels now.
Of course unless you're blind, you can see that this is totally fabricated boll@x to scare the masses and make them buy a Prius.

Record levels for the period where humanity existed. Despite appearances you are not a dinosaur.

PS. Priuses are out of date, the current idiots line of choice would be a Nissan leaf or a Tesla.

 

[Munroast]

It clearly debunks your theory that co2 levels have reached record levels now.
Of course unless you're blind, you can see that this is totally fabricated boll@x to scare the masses and make them buy a Prius.

I have never said or claimed that ! please don't make things up.

It is true however that the last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist (check this with the chart you provided earlier)

 

[kingandy2nd]

Now that I have the time I'm getting increasingly interested in Mycology & particularly in the work of Paul Stamets.

He’s also a fungi to hang around with

 

[johnny2007]

It is true however that the last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist (check this with the chart you provided earlier)

So how come it's all our fault now?
We weren't around in the cretaceous, or were we???

 

[johnny2007]

Record levels for the period where humanity existed. Despite appearances you are not a dinosaur.

Could it be that the earth co2 is raises and drops on a cycle and now it is going up again?
High co2 levels are fantastic for the planet and life.
But we don't like it because we, the fools, have made us immovable, along dangerous waterways and at the foot of volcanoes.
So because it doesn't suit us, we have to stop nature by...paying taxes to politicians (?!?!?!)

PS. Priuses are out of date, the current idiots line of choice would be a Nissan leaf or a Tesla.

Agree on this point.

 

[wobs]

Could it be that the earth co2 is raises and drops on a cycle and now it is going up again?
High co2 levels are fantastic for the planet and life.
But we don't like it because we, the fools, have made us immovable, along dangerous waterways and at the foot of volcanoes.
So because it doesn't suit us, we have to stop nature by...paying taxes to politicians (?!?!?!)

We know its down to us. Science is not a conspiracy to raise taxes.

 

[FiremanT]

16.5 times now......

sorry 16 times now.......
that's taking into consideration coastal erosion caused by climate change.

You may wish to revisit this.......

 

[IT Minion]

Could it be that the earth co2 is raises and drops on a cycle and now it is going up again?
High co2 levels are fantastic for the planet and life.

Nope. Not an unreasonable question, until you look into it a bit.

As your graph showed were increasing the amount of CO2 insanely quickly compared to geological processes. There has never been a change anywhere near this speed in climate that didn't involve a supervolcano or a meteor. Literally around a million times faster than the historical trend. It's hard to find an analogy that makes sense. If you think about the change in global heat (or CO2) compared to your central heating (as the normal natural variation) our current rate of change is like having your house doused in petrol and set alight.

People have looked hard to see if there could be any natural cause for the rate CO2 is rising but no one can find one. And there has been a long of funding for anyone who wants to try to find holes in climate science. For it to be this big, we would have found it.

 

[IT Minion]

Agree on this point.

Except Tesla's, and most other EVs, are excellent to drive and have loads of performance. It doesn't work as well to sneer at cars that go faster than Ferraris.

 

[johnny2007]

Except Tesla's, and most other EVs, are excellent to drive and have loads of performance. It doesn't work as well to sneer at cars that go faster than Ferraris.

You're another one of them who believes that those plastic boxes are fast.
I left a friend at the lights with his brand new tesla and I drive a 10 year old car.
You're deluded my friend.
Those blood stained plastic boxes built by murderers, can barely go below 10 seconds on 0-60mph.
Try it live and see.
Than try any 3.0L V6 and let me know the difference when your organs go back in their place.

 

[IT Minion]

You're another one of them who believes that those plastic boxes are fast.
I left a friend at the lights with his brand new tesla and I drive a 10 year old car.
You're deluded my friend.
Those blood stained plastic boxes built by murderers, can barely go below 10 seconds on 0-60mph.
Try it live and see.
Than try any 3.0L V6 and let me know the difference when your organs go back in their place.

I have, even the cheapest Tesla goes very fast. You try it. The top end one is insanely fast. No mass produced car goes faster off the line.

 

[AngleEyes]

You may wish to revisit this.......

Why?
It was intended as a jocular observation.

 

[Bosswhite]

We know its down to us. Science is not a conspiracy to raise taxes.

Global warming is explained as our fault because of Carbon Emissions .

How did the " Ice Age " occur should " Stone Age man" have used MORE Carbon Emitting products to have stopped that era ?