Climate: The Movie

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My god, is Nutty Notch still going?

Think I might watch this film again. And laugh about how it has driven him mad...

 
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In my abstract, I might write something along the lines of:

What is laughable is that the consensus estimators are even worse grifters because they are basically producing misleading research about research. Crap on top of crap. A significant proportion of research is total rubbish and a waste of tax payer's money.

In your opinion. Never mind making up an abstract, use real research and point out its flaws.
 
My god, is Nutty Notch still going?

Think I might watch this film again. And laugh about how it has driven him mad...

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Betty3000 is posting misinformation

here is a list of 42 myths included in that piece of fossil fuel propaganda

The Desmog Climate Disinformation Database documents, "individuals and organisations that have helped to delay and distract the public and our elected leaders from taking needed action to reduce greenhouse gas pollution and fight global warming." It's a who's who of the organised climate change denial movement, in other words.

In Martin Durkin's recently released film, entitled, 'Climate - the Movie', 17 academics, retired academics and bloggers were interviewed. How big a proportion of them have their own page in the DeSmog database? Go on, have a guess.

It's 76%.

Climate change denial is like a kind of flying circus. This same old carnival troupe is wheeled out time and again to spread doubt about climate science. Why? Because that's what they are good at doing, with decades of combined experience under their belts.

More than 2 dozen long-debunked myths​

The first 42-odd minutes of this 80 minute long festival of misinformation, once the initial 'elevator-pitch' is done with, are dedicated to "The Science". But instead of that, what one is exposed to is a veritable Gish-gallop of climate myths, with the phrase, "we are told" liberally scattered among them. In order of appearance, with the myth's fixed number in our database, here they are:
 
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a list of myths included in the propaganda film "climate the movie"



Code
MythQuick rebuttal
56mwpMedieval Warm Period was warmerGlobally averaged temperature now is higher than global temperature in medieval times.
31liaWe're coming out of the Little Ice-ageScientists have determined that the factors which caused the Little Ice Age cooling are not currently causing global warming.
15coldIt's freaking cold!A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures.
6tempTemp record is unreliableThe warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.
20uhiIt's Urban Heat Island effectUrban and rural regions show the same warming trend.
38troposphereSatellites show no warming in the troposphereThe most recent satellite data show that the earth as a whole is warming.
45pastco2CO2 was higher in the pastClimate has changed along with CO2 levels through geological time.
120plantCO2 is plant foodThe effects of enhanced CO2 on terrestrial plants are variable and complex and dependent on numerous factors
127traceCO2 is just a trace gasMany substances are dangerous even in trace amounts; what really matters is the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
11lagCO2 lags temperatureCO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming.
31greenhouseIncreasing CO2 has little to no effectThe strong CO2 effect has been observed by many different measurements.
43correlateThere's no correlation between CO2 and temperatureThere is long-term correlation between CO2 and global temperature; other effects are short-term.
81970sIce age predicted in the 70sThe vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.
5modelModels are unreliableModels successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.
2pastClimate's changed beforeClimate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.
207uahUAH atmospheric temperatures prove climate models are wrongThe most likely explanation for UAH data warming less than expected is that the UAH data set is biased low.
143cloudClouds provide negative feedbackEvidence is building that net cloud feedback is likely positive and unlikely to be strongly negative.
14cosmicIt's cosmic raysCosmic rays show no trend over the last 30 years & have had little impact on recent global warming.
191cernCERN CLOUD experiment proved cosmic rays are causing global warmingof one out of four requirements necessary to blame global warming on cosmic rays, and two of the other requirements have already failed.
1sunIt's the sunIn the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions
1719341934 - hottest year on record1934 was one of the hottest years in the US, not globally.
240wildfiresWildfires are not caused by global warmingGlobal warming worsens wildfires by creating drier conditions with more fuel for fires to spread further and faster.
16hurricaneHurricanes aren't linked to global warmingThere is increasing evidence that hurricanes are getting stronger due to global warming.
37bearPolar bear numbers are increasingPolar bears are in danger of extinction as well as many other species.
185gbrGreat Barrier Reef is in good shapeEvidence clearly shows that both ocean warming and acidification due to human CO2 emissions are damaging the Great Barrier Reef
With 25 myths (and a few more - see below), the list is rather long,
 
please do not be brainwashed by fossil fuel propaganda

climate the movie is produced by a climate change denier

When a corner of the internet comes to life, it always looks a bit different than you’d expect. It’s less snarky, less vitriolic, less apocalyptic. It’s decidedly more human. Sometimes, in fact, it’s downright pleasant, particularly when the place you encounter it is a pristine movie theater in the suburbs.

Earlier this week I traveled to the Angelika Film Center in Fairfax, Virginia, for the premiere of Climate the Movie: The Cold Truth, a new documentary film that promises to reveal the real story behind what the film calls “the climate scare” — in other words, the notion that human beings are changing the climate through our use of fossil fuels. Directed by climate denier filmmaker, Martin Durkin, the screening was organized by the CO2 Coalition, a nonprofit that promotes carbon dioxide as playing a “vital role . . . in our environment.” The Heartland Institute and Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) co-sponsored the event.

Despite the happy, bright green CO2 Coalition banners welcoming us to the screening, Climate the Movie was, much like the bleaker corners of the internet from which it seems to take inspiration, snarky, vitriolic, and apocalyptic. Over nearly 80 minutes — a good majority of which passed before a single woman appeared onscreen, except in stock footage — the attendees and I, scattered throughout a theater that was about a third full, were offered a window into today’s anti-climate playbook with all of its tensions and motivations.

One of the interesting (“interesting”) things about watching a Donald Trump speech is to observe the former president’s attempts to stay on message. He knows what he’s supposed to say — it’s usually written right there on the teleprompter — but you can tell that it’s taking all of his strength not to deviate into rambling, sometimes incoherent, asides. Eventually, though, the strain becomes too great, and he tosses out the script and tells the audience what’s really on his mind.

Climate the Movie follows a similar trajectory. The first half of the film is a relatively sober outline of two scientific-sounding arguments — that global temperatures aren’t actually increasing, and that carbon emissions aren’t either. And even if they were, we should be glad, because plants need carbon dioxide, and they’re hungry because, on a geologic time scale, “we’re in a CO2 famine,” as one interviewee puts it.

This part of the film is replete with graphs, data, and, above all, credentials. It feels like the filmmakers were desperate to portray people who dispute human-caused climate change as sensible, scientific, and driven only by the data. The film’s British narrator repeatedly cites and emphasizes the credentials of interviewees, like Nobel Prize-winning physicist John Clauser, a member of the CO2 Coalition’s board of directors who has declared “there is no real climate crisis.”

Update: Skeptical Science has flagged 25 myths spotted in the film.

A Savvy Approach​

If the goal of Climate the Movie is to give viewers permission to deny that human activity is causing the planet’s climate to change, while still thinking of themselves as pro-science and pro-environment, it’s a savvy approach, and potentially an effective one. The scientists and experts who reject the “consensus” of climate change “are not flat earthers,” the narrator assures us, and it’s easy to see how some viewers might agree with him.

The second half of the film, however, is when, in the Trump-at-the-podium analogy, you see the script thrown out, the teleprompter ignored, and the snark and vitriol bubbling beneath the surface finally reach a boil. Here, Climate the Movie, which was released online on March 21, pivots from smoothly introducing doubt about climate science to bluntly concocting a grand, conspiratorial fallacy to explain why establishment elites have created this “climate scare.” Since the science proves there’s no climate emergency (see the first half of the film), and everyone knows it, why, the film asks, does this climate crisis narrative persist?

In short, what the film seems to be saying is: A long time ago Al Gore took an interest in climate change, which meant Congress gave federal agencies billions of dollars to spend on climate research. So now the only way scientists can get any funding at all is by saying they believe in and are studying climate change. And the only way the federal science agencies that fund these scientists can justify their existence is by pretending there’s a threat of climate change.

As a result, if scientists don’t get on “the climate bandwagon,” they lose funding and get canceled and excommunicated. And now, because all of the climate skeptics and deniers have been thoroughly marginalized and cast out by the so-called “censorious, authoritarian regime,” all that remains is a “consensus” that a climate crisis exists.


There’s more than a bit of projection going on here. After all, climate denial emerged as a powerful political force because it propped up the careers of right-wing politicians and the profits of corporate fossil fuel interests.

It’s perhaps not a coincidence that it’s at this point in the film that the oil and gas industry talking points emerge more explicitly. Why, the narrator asks, is the “environmental movement” so committed to their beliefs about climate change? Because they are the “sworn enemy of free-market industrial capitalism,” the film informs us. Climate change, in this telling, is a tool for the government to control the economy, reflecting the left’s “disdain for free-market capitalism” and its supposed disdain for working people.

Climate the Movie presents the argument that the “success of capitalism” upsets the liberal establishment because they don’t want the “masses” to have the same affordable goods and services that they enjoy. The elites would rather have people stay poor than provide them access to cheap fossil fuels or affordable plastic products — which, in this telling, are among the only ways to help people escape poverty. (In outlining its anti-poverty agenda the film makes no mention of strengthening the social safety net, say, or making the tax code more progressive.)

Yet the ultimate aim of Climate the Movie, it seems, is simply to troll the left. The narrator drew laughs from the audience when he claimed that real “workers” don’t attend climate protests because they’re too busy working. When the film showed footage of a climate protestor being pulled off a London Underground train and beaten, there was clapping throughout the theater.

One “rave review” tweeted out by Tom Nelson, the film’s producer, seemed to sum it up: “Was bowled away by your film: you took on and nailed every argument with clarity, precision and humour,” the review read in part. “You didn’t leave a crack for those libtards.”

As a climate crisis reporter, I assumed walking into the theater that I wasn’t the target audience of Climate the Movie. To me, the so-called scary world threatened by the film — one in which public policy is characterized by climate regulations, public support for climate action and adaptation, and higher taxes on the wealthy, on corporations, and in particular on the fossil fuel industry — sounds pretty great, and urgently necessary.

Whether seeking to lionize carbon emissions as environmental superfood or doing little more than trolling progressives, Climate the Movie represents a new interpretation of an old climate denial playbook that remains characterized by a determination to do whatever it takes to preserve the world’s dependence on fossil fuels.

 
"That's not to say that a two-year stretch of cooling means that global warming is a hoax. Two years out of hundreds or thousands doesn't necessarily mean anything. And there could be a reasonable explanation."

Ah well...
 
"That's not to say that a two-year stretch of cooling means that global warming is a hoax. Two years out of hundreds or thousands doesn't necessarily mean anything. And there could be a reasonable explanation."

Ah well...
glad you also agree that 170 years out of 5400000000 doesnt mean there is global warmin
 
There is no global warming because the earth was once a ball of molten lava.

Climate deniers at their peak.
 
I see from your quotes that Notch the Nutter is still posting like a man possessed. He comes across as having a personality disorder, which also seems to be common amongst alarmists. Blissfully, I cannot see a single thing that he posts. He is absolutely invisible. I recommend others do the same if they get tired of his obsessive behaviour. It makes the forum more enjoyable to use.
Cancel culture at its finest
 
glad you also agree that 170 years out of 5400000000 doesnt mean there is global warmin
You havent answered the bit about temperature rises over the 400 years yoh mentioned, versus the last 10 to 20 years

Why not? It's OK, I know why not
 
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