Common Sense at last.

[sodthisforfun]

It appears you are not thinking correctly again if you equate that to my question.

The article does not refer to it as a "hate crime". It says they have been arrested on suspicion of a public order offence in connection with a model of Grenfell Tower being burned on a bonfire. No mention of "hate crime".

So, perhaps nothing to do with what I asked.
As usual you make no attempt to answer my specific question.

Do you think they should be jailed for a distasteful bonfire and video?
If so, the prisons are going to be full of stupid people soon.



Do you think that millions of other people should be arrested after last night for "hate crimes" against catholics?

I am just quoting other news sources. It may be a possible hate crime.
Don't shoot the messenger.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rrested-sickening-Grenfell-Tower-bonfire.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...bonfire-burned-guy-fawkes-party-a8618661.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7663555/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-bonfire-night-video/

 

[EFLImpudence]

I am just quoting other news sources. It may be a possible hate crime.
Don't shoot the messenger.

Please define "hate crime" with reference to my question.

Please don't just quote an already defined crime where someone has added the word hate.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Right.
I won't write another post for you again. Best ignore each other hey. Just thought you'd be interested, as it's similar to the nazi dog thing I thought.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ok. You don't have an answer so I will conclude that I am right.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Is admiring a mural depicting people with big noses a "hate crime" against Jews?
Indeed, do all Jews have big noses?

The old rhyme referring to that fact helped me answer a question in a pub quiz, "who was the brother of Moses ?"

 

[Bosswhite]

Please define "hate crime" with reference to my question.

Please don't just quote an already defined crime where someone has added the word hate.

The video with sound track was put out on Social Media ( Youtube etc) with a purpose to stir up racial hatred.

 

[JohnD]

What a surprise eh

The newly-appointed chair of the Tories’ new Housing and Architecture Committee, Roger Scruton, might agree.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Ok. You don't have an answer so I will conclude that I am right.

Don't you always?

 

[EFLImpudence]

When I am. Thanks for helping.

 

[motorbiking]

It’s really not rocket science...

Hate Crime: A crime where hatred of a protected characteristic is an aggravating factor. Potential hate crimes may extend beyond protected characteristics. example:

John punched Avril, because she is fat and john hates fat people. - Asault + hate crime.

John punched Avril who is fat, because she is an annoying bint. Not hate crime.

John was rude to Avril because she is fat and john hates fat people. - hate incident.

On the public order offence. It’s a stretch but might stick. Unlikely to be agrivated by hate as there was no specific characteristic attacked.

 

[EFLImpudence]

It’s really not rocket science...

You say that, but -

Hate Crime: A crime where hatred of a protected characteristic is an aggravating factor. Potential hate crimes may extend beyond protected characteristics.

Ok - so, why is it necessary to add hate if it's a crime?

John punched Avril, because she is fat and john hates fat people. - Asault + hate crime.

Ok - so, why is it necessary to add hate if it's a crime?

John punched Avril who is fat, because she is an annoying bint. Not hate crime.

Ok - so, will the offence be viewed less severely? If so, why?

Plus, of course, why not if he hates annoying bints?

John was rude to Avril because she is fat and john hates fat people. - hate incident.

Ah, incident, not crime, so what happens about this, then.

We (I) might be getting somewhere. Is no one allowed to be rude to someone of a designated group, then, is that it?
If not, why not?

Why should you still be able to be rude to someone who is not in a designated group? Will there be anyone like that.
Dare I say it - only white straight men?

Do you see the flaws in this madness?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Also, you could be in trouble for using the word 'bint'.

 

[JohnD]

Ok - so, why is it necessary to add hate if it's a crime?

usually, smashing shop windows would be just be vandalism.

Sometimes it may be much, much more

 

[EFLImpudence]

At last, an answer.

However, would even that not be covered by more specific existing legislation?

 

[Ian H]

John punched Avril, because she is fat and john hates fat people. - Asault + hate crime.

What if John hates fat people but doesn’t punch anyone?