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If you ask somone off the street who died in the Holocaust, they will mention the one race and one religion.
And you base that assumption on?

It has no more validity than the one Joe introduced yesterday when he inferred, incorrectly, everyone was wrong about Anne Franke.

it pays not to take Joe's comments at face value.
He himself can't keep up with false comments and claims he makes.
 
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Just want to add my 2p,

What I also know is, Jews were not the only race/religion to suffer.

question is ....

why are we forgetting the others, and highlighting just one?

I've often heard in the media and elsewhere how gays were put in the camps as well. Also, there was an whole documentary on Gypsies who were killed in the camps. This is to name just a few examples, but it is rarely just Jews who are mentioned. It is however the Jews who suffered the most deaths due to been rounded up and killed because of who they were, as a "final solution".
 
Question for Joe 90.

We will assume for the moment the Jews that died was a result of disease/lack of food/medicine brought on by shortages of supplies caused by the war.

If there was no war, the Jews would have just been rounded up into concentration camps and then what? What was the final solution? What was the reasoning behind detaining them for no other reason than their beliefs? The final solution does not seem to be ridding Germany of the Jews, if it was why didn't the Nazi regime just drive them over the borders before the war?
 
Well you tell me where the bodies of the 12 million are then. If you can't - then you must be a denier too.

Strawman argument, as you're the only one going on about 12million bodies. But here's a clue as I'm feeling generous: Europe is a big place, and they aren't all in the same bit.

Don't be silly. We are talking about the number of people that would fill 24 cities the size of Liverpool. You can't just 'lose' that number of people without someone either:

A) Knowing about it.

B) Keep stumbling across them.

Can you see why I'm having trouble with this?

BTW if you dispute the figure then you are also a denier. Welcome aboard.
;)

More strawman arguments. Its ahabit with you.
You should know what they did with so many as its your number.
 
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Question for Joe 90.

The final solution does not seem to be ridding Germany of the Jews, if it was why didn't the Nazi regime just drive them over the borders before the war?


Exactly Uri - which is where the 12 million went. Thank you for letting us all know.
 
Why don't we just close this thread - many more have been closed with more worthy debates - this is just two trolls battling out a pointless argument.
The Holocaust denier has admitted it happened.
All that's left is an argument about numbers which neither side can prove.

You can't be accused of being a denier when you've never suggested nothing happened. Just what happened and to how many people is what is being debated.....

Wrong.

Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews in the Holocaust during World War II.[1] The key claims of Holocaust denial are: the German Nazi government had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews, Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews, and the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million.[2][3][4]

Holocaust deniers generally do not accept the term denial as an appropriate description of their activities, and use the term revisionism instead.[5] Scholars use the term "denial" to differentiate Holocaust deniers from historical revisionists, who use established historical methodologies.[6] The methodologies of Holocaust deniers are criticized as based on a predetermined conclusion that ignores extensive historical evidence to the contrary.[7]

Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples.[8] For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic[9] conspiracy theory.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial[/QUOTE]where is this "extensive historical evidence to the contrary"mentioned in your post,this is the problem with the holocaust lobby is that they claim that there is mountains of evidence to prove that the holocaust happened but when asked to produce this evidence they say that the Nazis destroyed it or that the whole event was carried out without using any paper work, that the Nazis used euphemisms and nodded and winked at each other when discussing jewish people, why is that only camps that were liberated by the communists it is still claimed that gassing took place, the same claims were made for the camps in Germany but when the allies investigated these claims they were found to without foundation, the Russians refused to let any independent investigation take place at any camp under their control why do you think that was?
 
Well you tell me where the bodies of the 12 million are then. If you can't - then you must be a denier too.

Strawman argument, as you're the only one going on about 12million bodies. But here's a clue as I'm feeling generous: Europe is a big place, and they aren't all in the same bit.

Don't be silly. We are talking about the number of people that would fill 24 cities the size of Liverpool. You can't just 'lose' that number of people without someone either:

A) Knowing about it.

B) Keep stumbling across them.

Can you see why I'm having trouble with this?

BTW if you dispute the figure then you are also a denier. Welcome aboard.
;)

More strawman arguments. Its ahabit with you.
You should know what they did with so many as its your number.

You don't seem to know what a strawman argument is.
That is not my figure. The figure of 12 million comes from Peaps. Are you calling him a liar?
 
Just want to add my 2p,

What I also know is, Jews were not the only race/religion to suffer.

question is ....

why are we forgetting the others, and highlighting just one?

I've often heard in the media and elsewhere how gays were put in the camps as well. Also, there was an whole documentary on Gypsies who were killed in the camps. This is to name just a few examples, but it is rarely just Jews who are mentioned. It is however the Jews who suffered the most deaths due to been rounded up and killed because of who they were, as a "final solution".


How did they know who was gay? Jews made up less than half the camp (pun not intended) inmates - but you don't publicise that do you? It's 'your' Holocaust isn't it? Nobody else's. Don't even try to tell us that this isn't so.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
where is this "extensive historical evidence to the contrary"mentioned in your post,this is the problem with the holocaust lobby is that they claim that there is mountains of evidence to prove that the holocaust happened but when asked to produce this evidence they say that the Nazis destroyed it or that the whole event was carried out without using any paper work, that the Nazis used euphemisms and nodded and winked at each other when discussing jewish people, why is that only camps that were liberated by the communists it is still claimed that gassing took place, the same claims were made for the camps in Germany but when the allies investigated these claims they were found to without foundation, the Russians refused to let any independent investigation take place at any camp under their control why do you think that was?

http://www.nizkor.org/

You will find one of the largest collection of documents, videos etc here. I will also like to note the it's Germany that have kept large amounts of documents out of the public eye.

Yes many documents were destroyed like some camps but not all, there is a large amount to be going on with although the denial camp like to place emphasis on the documents that were destroyed ignoring the overwhelming evidence that's is archived to this day.

Gassing did take place in these camps, some were dedicated to gassing Jewish people.
 
Gassing did take place in these camps, some were dedicated to gassing Jewish people.

They only told you that as your brain couldn't accept that it didn't happen.

You'll tell us there were gas chambers under construction next. :rolleyes:
 
You don't seem to know what a strawman argument is.
That is not my figure. The figure of 12 million comes from Peaps. Are you calling him a liar?

Will be easy for you to quote me saying it then :rolleyes:


Like debating with a 12 year old. :rolleyes:
 
Just want to add my 2p,

What I also know is, Jews were not the only race/religion to suffer.

question is ....

why are we forgetting the others, and highlighting just one?

I've often heard in the media and elsewhere how gays were put in the camps as well. Also, there was an whole documentary on Gypsies who were killed in the camps. This is to name just a few examples, but it is rarely just Jews who are mentioned. It is however the Jews who suffered the most deaths due to been rounded up and killed because of who they were, as a "final solution".


How did they know who was gay? Jews made up less than half the camp (pun not intended) inmates - but you don't publicise that do you? It's 'your' Holocaust isn't it? Nobody else's. Don't even try to tell us that this isn't so.

What camp?

"Jews were not the only victims of this Nazi German killing machine - historians estimate that among the people sent to Auschwitz there were at least 1,100,000 Jews from all the countries of occupied Europe, over 140,000 Poles (mostly political prisoners), approximately 20,000 Gypsies from several European countries, over 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war, and over 10,000 prisoners of other nationalities.

The Leuchter Report, which Foner alludes to extensively in his Spotlight article, has been thoroughly refuted. For detailed information about the report, see the Leuchter FAQ."

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-09.html
 
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