Dangerous?

[mick-uk]

Chris you missed out "never".

Forget the thought of working in gas..the jobs long since had it's day.

It would appear you are going to sort out the installation yourself and dispense with any further checks by relevant authorities...I have reservations about that...you have still not read the manual properly regarding positioning of safety components.

Once you start touching the boiler you are liable. Something here sounds fishy......your "friend" should make his own judgement and you do not have the knowledge to say whether the installation is legal and safe....therefore have the lot inspected and get corgi to check.

not a chance, hes just paid just over £3000 to have this boiler fitted! I guarantee that they will be coming back to rectify or will be getting reported!
believe me or not that's fine... I'm just so *****d off with the whole corgi & part-p bull, it clearly is doing nothing for safety if registered installers are still creating extreamly dangerous installations.
there is too many who just don't give a "sh*t".
I just wanted it clear in my head what's wrong, so we can hit the conman hard with it all when we call him.

just to add to this...
I should be able to look at a new installation and learn from it, not see things like what in the pictures i posted!

 

[Gasguru]

If you allow them to come back and bodge it further (I would have no confidence in the work or the gas installation being done properly), then corgi/building control will not be able to investigate their installations. Sometimes they contact all the previous customers in order to check for safety.

 

[mick-uk]

If you allow them to come back and bodge it further (I would have no confidence in the work or the gas installation being done properly), then corgi/building control will not be able to investigate their installations. Sometimes they contact all the previous customers in order to check for safety.

i'll let you know what action is taken.. and the outcome.

 

[mick-uk]

lock shield gate valves need to disappear

Not entirely, they can be useful, but should be between the boiler and the safety prv and EV.
ANd don't forget the 28mm bypass!

I not sure if i should ask but whats a EV?

edit : expansion vessel couldnt think what EV could stand for

 

[ChrisR]

Not entirely, they can be useful, but should NEVER be between the boiler and the safety prv and EV.
Is as GG pointted out, what I meant

 

[mick-uk]

Update:
I told lee yesterday about the danger of the current installation and insisted it was switched off, he huffed and puffed but turned it off...
he was complaining that the guests will have no hot water... understandable.

I call this morning... to ask if he has contacted building control... he said NO and has switched the boiler back on!!

(I should have pulled the fuse)

he argues with me saying it was fitted by a corgi engineer and they know what they are doing...
he seems to be missing the fact that altho there are lots of people who do a good job there are a select few who dont.

I tried to explain the danger, he wont have it, so i told him to make sure the two taps on the flexi are in the open position to try and add a little safety.

I dont know what to do for the best... its clearly dangerous and hes not having it.

 

[doitall]

Turning the valve on will not help the situation as one end is a non return check valve, and the boiler will still have no pressure relief valve or expansion vessel, as a result the boiler, radiator or any part of the system which is the weakest can exploded at any time.

 

[mick-uk]

Turning the valve on will not help the situation as one end is a non return check valve, and the boiler will still have no pressure relief valve or expansion vessel, as a result the boiler, radiator or any part of the system which is the weakest can exploded at any time.

****** didnt think of that! I'm going round and pulling the fuse!

 

[doitall]

I would tell him that if he isn't responsible you will phone Transco, who have the authority to disconnect the Gas supply to the property.

 

[Gasguru]

The only thing saving the installation from blowing a joint is a little trapped air in the top of a rad.

The rise in pressure due to the expansion of water heated by just a few degrees can be staggering.

Tests have shown pressures of 50 Bar or more have been reached just from warming pipework a little.

If he puts on the heating (that results in significant expansion volume) something will let go bigtime.

The boiler needs careful checking since it may already have suffered damage (AFAIR boilers are not even covered under the Presurised Equipment Directive so I doubt they are designed to handle pressures much in excess of 5 Bar).

With the odd cold night coming it won't take long before he has an even bigger problem

 

[doitall]

With the odd cold night coming it won't take long before he has an even bigger problem

Including manslaughter unless he's lucky.

 

[mick-uk]

update:

been today, switched off.

after a bit of an argument with lee he got the installer on the phone (I didnt know), he then passed the phone to me, and i get asked "whats the problem"
I explained the situation that has been highlighted here in detail, his response "its meant to have a filler loop" after i explained time and time again He eventually agreed to come and take a look after 5.
this was about 2pm
I was just about to head home, and they are at the door, 2,10pm I was shocked.
3 turned up, 2 school leavers and a guy who claimed he was the installer.

he stood looking at the installation, then you wont believe what he said...

"what's wrong with it then??"

I said... your kidding me right... and explained about the problems with the install...

he said:

"is that how its done like?"

in the end he said he was nipping to the plumb shop and will sort the filler loop now... I said what about the other problems...

"cant do the bypass valve- it'll be ok"

he & schoolboys dissapear...

whilst he was gone, I was having a word with lee to refuse that he touches the boiler... as we were talking 2 more turn up... the boss's

I was ****ed, I said i hope you know what your looking at as the other guys obviously don't!
Immediately said... **** there's no expansion!

I could go on forever about what happened... but some of the comments exchanged between these two were also quite shocking.

first of all they turn up with a sketch on how a expansion vessel should be plumbed!

Quote, "ahh hes nipped out to get the gear so will all be sorted today..." guy 2 "does he know how to fix it"
guy 1 "yeah should do"

like i say i could go on forever, I will be going back and I'll take more pictures of what they have done.

These cowboys should have never been called back... lee was happy for them to do the repairs... what could i say its not my boiler.

unfortunately i couldn't stay to see the outcome... but i'll keep you's updated.

shocked is an understatement

oh just to add:
I thought he paid just over £3000 for this installation... infact this was just the final payment!

 

[Gasguru]

Well your mate Lee is an idiot...being ripped off and then allowing them to cover up the evidence.

Serious safety breaches need to be investigated. Then the HSE can serve a prohibition notice on the installers whilst they investigate.

What about all the other customers that have been screwed and have timebombs in their houses?

Have you checked they are registered?

Have they got the energy efficiency qualification?

How about Part P?

Benchmark and Gas Work Notified?

 

[mick-uk]

What about all the other customers that have been screwed and have timebombs in their houses?

My exact thoughts... especially now i've found out they install boilers in schools!

I have pictures, i took more today before I left... will this stand as evidence?

mick.

closer clear image of filler.

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• mick-uk
• 27 Aug 2008
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[ChrisR]

Yes but try to make it clearer. It wasn't all that easy to work out what might be "backwards" from the prv connection in the last one.
Use a better camera too!
Then something like Photoshop can be used to put light into the murky depths afterwards so you can see what's what.