Death in the channel…again

[motorbiking]

compared to the 2010s in fact.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

compared to the 2010s in fact.

So it's not a new game then after all

 

[Roy Bloom]

compared to the 2010s in fact.

The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

Carmenmemoranda's point is very pertinent. The system could cope in 2002 with 85,000 arrivals, but can't cope in 2023 with 40,000 arrivals?

 

[gant]

Reminds of little boys before the headmaster denying all knowledge.
Seemed to end on your gurgling to me.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Reminds of little boys before the headmaster denying all knowledge.
Seemed to end on your gurgling to me.

I don't want to know what reminds you of little boys, thank you.
I suggest you keep it to yourself.

 

[gant]

I don't want to know what reminds you of little boys, thank you.
I suggest you keep it to yourself.

You would say that given your the little boy I'm referring to.

 

[motorbiking]

Read your own links


That's 3.3% of total migration, not 10%

check your maths ~265k claims. 200k coming via legal routes
40.9k Illegal boat people with a 49% avg. acceptance rate prior to the change in law.

10% of 225k = 22.5k
49% 40.9k = 20k. . 8.89%

So roughly 10% of those coming here to claim asylum are queue jumpers.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You would say that given your the little boy I'm referring to.

I'm really not interested in your obsession with little boys.

 

[motorbiking]

So it's not a new game then after all

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

Carmenmemoranda's point is very pertinent. The system could cope in 2002 with 85,000 arrivals, but can't cope in 2023 with 40,000 arrivals?

Only 40k boat people - out of 265k. The others came mostly via legal routes. They still have to have their claims processed.

Hence the game has changed.

 

[gant]

I'm really not interested in your obsession with little boys.

It doesn't come as a surprise how low you'll stoop given your limited resources to wit and humour.

 

[Roy Bloom]

check your maths ~265k claims. 200k coming via legal routes
40.3k Illegal boat people with a 49% avg. acceptance rate prior to the change in law.

10% of 225k = 22.5k
49% 40.9k = 20k. . 8.89%

So roughly 10% of those coming here to claim asylum are queue jumpers.

You've changed the parameters. You originally posted:

Proportion of all migrants who are asylum seekers and refugees
Asylum seekers made up around 6% of immigrants to the UK in 2019.
In 2020, when overall immigration was lower than usual due to the pandemic, asylum seekers might have made up around 12% of immigrants.
In 2022, the latest period for which we have estimates, asylum seekers and refugees made up approximately 21% of immigrants to the UK. This includes arrivals under the Ukraine schemes, the Afghan relocation and resettlement schemes, arrivals in small boats, other resettled persons and arrivals on family reunion visas (around 264,000 individuals in total). If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes, up to 26% of immigration in that year would fall into that category.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/
Now you're cl,aiming that 10% of asylum seekers are queue jumpers.

10% of those coming here to claim asylum are queue jumpers.

My earlier calculation was absolutely correct. Boat arrivals accont for only 3.3% of all total migration to UK.

If you carefully select the parameters for your calculation, of course it will be different.

But the points I and Carmenmemoranda made are still applicable:
The system could cope in 2002 with 85,000 asylum seekrs, but in 2023 it can't cope with 45,000.
The others are in the special category of Ukraine, Afghanistabn, BOT's, family reunuions, etc, so would have had much scrutiny before their names were added to a list, and visas issued.

This includes arrivals under the Ukraine schemes, the Afghan relocation and resettlement schemes, arrivals in small boats, other resettled persons and arrivals on family reunion visas (around 264,000 individuals in total). If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes,

The people in the special category need very little processing, they would have been processed before their visa was issued.
Unless the Home Office expected them to join the boat arrivals, and make their own way.
So why could a system coping with 85000 in 2002, not cope with 45000 in 2022?

If there was a game changer, it was the government keeping hold of the ball.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Only 40k boat people - out of 265k. The others came mostly via legal routes. They still have to have their claims processed.

Hence the game has changed.

They would have needed a visa to board a plane. Their application would have been processed bfore they were allowed to leave, unless they had a passport acceptable on arrival in UK. In which case there would be no need for processing.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It doesn't come as a surprise how low you'll stoop given your limited resources to wit and humour.

It doesn't surprise you that I don't share your interest in little boys. I'm so glad.
Can stop trying to interest me in little boys now?

 

[gant]

Think you've banned for less.

 

[motorbiking]

You've changed the parameters. You originally posted:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/
Now you're cl,aiming that 10% of asylum seekers are queue jumpers.

My earlier calculation was absolutely correct. Boat arrivals accont for only 3.3% of all total migration to UK.

If you carefully select the parameters for your calculation, of course it will be different.

But the points I and Carmenmemoranda made are still applicable:
The system could cope in 2002 with 85,000 asylum seekrs, but in 2023 it can't cope with 45,000.
The others are in the special category of Ukraine, Afghanistabn, BOT's, family reunuions, etc, so would have had much scrutiny before their names were added to a list, and visas issued.

The people in the special category need very little processing, they would have been processed before their visa was issued.
Unless the Home Office expected them to join the boat arrivals, and make their own way.
So why could a system coping with 85000 in 2002, not cope with 45000 in 2022?

If there was a game changer, it was the government keeping hold of the ball.

You have absolutely no knowledge of the process and neither do I. We can only go on what is reported. I'm certainly not jumping to the conclusion that those applying via legal routes can somehow have their application rubber stamped. I suspect there is just as much scrutiny, if not more.

Otherwise I could rent a PO Box in Ukraine and process my application from Albania. It would be cheaper than spending 3k on a "seat" in a dingy.