Death in the channel…again

[Notch7]

I made an observation that the game had changed. It clearly has.

You made an observation the game has changed which you blamed entirely on asylum claims being more complex and higher volumes.

The truth is that the home office is in a mess due to Conservative policies and incompetence

 

[motorbiking]

Thats just your opinion and you haven't presented independent evidence to back it up.

he annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily throughout the 2010s, then sharply from 2021 onwards to reach 81,130 applications in 2022, the highest annual number since 2002...

..In 2022, the latest period for which we have estimates, asylum seekers and refugees made up approximately 21% of immigrants to the UK. This includes arrivals under the Ukraine schemes, the Afghan relocation and resettlement schemes, arrivals in small boats, other resettled persons and arrivals on family reunion visas (around 264,000 individuals in total). If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes, up to 26% of immigration in that year would fall into that category...

..The total asylum caseload has more than doubled in size since 2014, driven both by applicants waiting longer for an initial decision and a growth in the number of people subject to removal action following a negative decision...

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

The game has very much changed

 

[Roy Bloom]

Thats just your opinion and you haven't presented independent evidence to back it up.

The numbers speak for themselves:
110,000 backlog of more than six months.
A further backlog of 40,000.
The number of 'boat arrivals' over about 5 years, approximately 100,000.

Where have all the backlog of asylum applications originated from.
If they originated from the 'boat arrivals', what the heck has been going on for 5 years?
Has it been one long party at the office?

If the backlog did not originate from the 'boat arrivals' why the overt concentration on 'boat arrivals'?
There must be another route that needs addressing.

 

[motorbiking]

Or you could read it.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You made an observation the game has changed which you blamed entirely on asylum claims being more complex and higher volumes.

The truth is that the home office is in a mess due to Conservative policies and incompetence

More about policies than competence, I think.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Or you could read it.

I could have done if you'd presented it before I replied.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Or you could read it.

Or you could widen your research to includer other relevant information, especially that peretaining to a five year period:

Of the 91,918 people that arrived in the UK on small boats between 1 January 2018 and 30 June 2023,

Irregular migration to the UK, year ending June 2023

www.gov.uk

Section 5.1

So where did all these extra asylum applications originate from if they were'nt from small boat arivals?
You claimed that the asylum process could accomodate 20,000 per year.
The backlog cuirrently stands at about 150,000. (about 7 years worth of small boat arrival of asylum seekers)
So what is going on, or not, as the numbers appear to prove?

 

[motorbiking]

I think this answers your question..

record breaking migration + an increase of the proportion claiming asylum.

Proportion of all migrants who are asylum seekers and refugees
Asylum seekers made up around 6% of immigrants to the UK in 2019.
In 2020, when overall immigration was lower than usual due to the pandemic, asylum seekers might have made up around 12% of immigrants.
In 2022, the latest period for which we have estimates, asylum seekers and refugees made up approximately 21% of immigrants to the UK. This includes arrivals under the Ukraine schemes, the Afghan relocation and resettlement schemes, arrivals in small boats, other resettled persons and arrivals on family reunion visas (around 264,000 individuals in total). If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes, up to 26% of immigration in that year would fall into that category.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

The UK appears to be very much doing our bit and maintaining our International standing whatever that might be.

But apparently we have no safe, legal routes to claim protection in the UK. Seems odd that ~ 200,000 people were able to find one. In the context, doesn't it seem a bit unfair for the 10% of those with a genuine claim (coming via illegal boat crossing) to jump the queue?

 

[gant]

Two things I've learnt this week watching politics live.
International students take downgraded exams and pass in some cases not being able to speak English.
People coming over on a visa has 20% discount attached so that employers can pay them 20% less than the going rate.
Race to the bottom leaders by a county mile.

 

[motorbiking]

We also have graduates being put on apprenticeship schemes so that employers can claim taxes and salaries from the government. Totally abusing the apprentice model, which is supposed to be a route to employment via training and work experience that doesn't need a degree. Not to mention a little insulting for those who studied hard to get one.

But Careful Gant, Himmy will tell you off for derailing the thread

 

[Roy Bloom]

I think this answers your question..

record breaking migration + an increase of the proportion claiming asylum.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

The UK appears to be very much doing our bit and maintaining our International standing whatever that might be.

But apparently we have no safe, legal routes to claim protection in the UK. Seems odd that ~ 200,000 people were able to find one. In the context, doesn't it seem a bit unfair for the 10% of those with a genuine claim (coming via illegal boat crossing) to jump the queue?

Read your own links

Proportion of all migrants who are asylum seekers and refugees
Asylum seekers made up around 6% of immigrants to the UK in 2019.
In 2020, when overall immigration was lower than usual due to the pandemic, asylum seekers might have made up around 12% of immigrants.
In 2022, the latest period for which we have estimates, asylum seekers and refugees made up approximately 21% of immigrants to the UK. This includes arrivals under the Ukraine schemes, the Afghan relocation and resettlement schemes, arrivals in small boats, other resettled persons and arrivals on family reunion visas (around 264,000 individuals in total). If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes, up to 26% of immigration in that year would fall into that category.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

All those are under the control of the government, except for the small boat arrivals.
So if the number of small boat arrivals for asylum seekers is just 91,000 over five years, and the government can supposedly process about 20,000 per year, and there's a backlog of 150,000, then why the excessive concern over small boat arrivals?

The number of migrants to the UK in 2023 was 1.2 million.
The number of small boat arrivals asylum seekers was 40,000

That's 3.3% of total migration, not 10%

Why the perverse concentration on asylum seekers arriving by small boat (when it's the only way outside of the specified temporary systems, which is time limited to and limited to a small group of specified indivduals which still falls far short of that reuired)?
And why the inordinate backlog of asylum applications, which vastly exceeds the annual total of small boat arrivals?
In fact it well exceeds the total for three years of total small boat arrivals.
Are you arguing that those from Ukraine,Afghanistan and other BOT is causing an overload of ther asylum process?
So why the perverse concentration on small boat arrivals?

 

[gant]

It's his fault for getting the "how is this happening in this country" locked.

 

[Roy Bloom]

We also have graduates being put on apprenticeship schemes so that employers can claim taxes and salaries from the government. Totally abusing the apprentice model, which is supposed to be a route to employment via training and work experience that doesn't need a degree. Not to mention a little insulting for those who studied hard to get one.

So why the perverse concentration on small boat arrivals?

But Careful Gant, Himmy will tell you off for derailing the thread

Only when he makes off-topic comments, and that post of his was on-topic.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It's his fault for getting the "how is this happening in this country" locked.

I just looked.
I reckon it was you and odds talking about me again, and ReganandCarter threatenng to visit someone in France. Quite how he gets hold of their address is anyone's guess.
He's either talking nonsense, or he has contacts.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Thats just your opinion and you haven't presented independent evidence to back it up.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

The game has very much changed

Compared to 2002 you mean?

20 years ago.